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  • #3618725
    Jon Fong
    BPL Member

    @jonfong

    Locale: FLAT CAT GEAR

    BRS 3000T failed. Pictures have been posted.  Older stoves don’t have the problem. Some newer stoves may have exhibited the problem. Some recent ones seem ok.  Are we done yet?

    #3618732
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

     

    Look at the scrape marks on the canister. Stove was screwed down onto canister while pot supports were in the down position causing support arms to bend outward. “User Error” of the ultimate kind. Errors are so obvious.

    Ryan had 4 that melted, so he was in error….should have said “rivets failed” ;)

    #3618735
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

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    Hikin’ Jim
    <div class=”bbp-author-role”>BPL Member</div>
    <p class=”bbp-user-nicename”>@hikin_jim</p>

    <span class=”profile-data”>Locale: Orange County, CA, USA</span></div>

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    So, I’ve got a total of 4 reports of pot support failure.  OK, yeah, that’s not that many, but…

    Sorry Jon, you are in error,  the older ones are the ones that failed according to HikinJim, posted in the year 2017. See his above statements in the thread “another one bites the dust”

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    #3618736
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    I was fiddling with my BRS-3000T.  There’s no position of the arms that would produce scrape marks on the canister like that.  Maybe that was from some other stove.  If I push the valve handle down I can get it to reach the canister at about that location, but it doesn’t seem like that would cause any failure.

    My stove says “Fuhoz” on it.  Maybe that’s the manufacturer name.

    Sorry Jon, this subject will never die.  Mystery must be analyzed to death and then some.

    #3618742
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Hey Jerry – can you post a photo of yours?
    If it has Fuhoz written on it, I don’t think it is a genuine BRS-3000T.


    I found this in the web. What is it?
    Brass column, not Ti.
    Different pot supports, and weaker
    Different (bigger) rivet
    Narrower bent arms
    “Fire Maple BRS” conflates two different brand names (one Korean I think)

    Move over America, now we have the Wild Wild East!

    Cheers

    #3618746
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Who are BRS?
    This is their web site: http://www.brs.net.cn/company. But the ‘English’ button does not work yet.
    They may be part of http://www.futailong.com – that URL brings up the same web pages. Or the other way around?
    Anyways, they are not a backyard job.

    Cheers

    #3618747
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    Roger, translated it for you:

    <span>Since 1999, the company has invested in outdoor leisure, investing tens of millions of yuan and “Wal-Mart” and “Metro” to achieve an annual output value of more than 10 million US dollars. All products are exported. In 2005, the company once again invested 10 million yuan to invest in the field of outdoor camping supplies, opened up the domestic outdoor products market, and registered the English “BRS”; the Chinese “Brothers” brand, focusing on the design, development, production and sales of outdoor equipment, The products cover 4 core products: outdoor oil stoves, outdoor gas stoves, pots and self-driving equipment, as well as other types of extension products. </span>

    <span>BRS is the abbreviation of English Brothers (brothers), representing the brand concept of the brothers.</span>

    <span>With strong financial and technical advantages, BRS quickly gained recognition from consumers and quickly stabilized the domestic and international outdoor products market. The company has accumulated more than 1,000 domestic distributors and a huge sales network in more than 50 countries.</span>

    <span>In order to adapt to the rapid development of the household market, “Jie Deng Outdoor Products Co., Ltd.” was established in 2012. With independent intellectual property rights, the company has more than 60 patents in 2012, and has the industry’s leading technical reserves, production capacity and testing equipment. A number of key technologies have been in the international leading position, and at the same time, it is one of the domestic outdoor camping equipment production bases. There are already five national military designated procurement company products. BRS always leads the technology trend of outdoor camping equipment, and constantly innovates to make products better serve the public.

    “Mobile landscape, unchanging home” is BRS’s philosophy of pursuing outdoor products, and hopes that this positive, healthy and civilized lifestyle will be passed on to everyone’s hearts through our products and services. A healthy and positive life.

     

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    #3618748
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Thanks Dan.
    Not a backyard operator then.

    Cheers

    #3618775
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    what I bought according to Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Backpacking-Miniature-Ultra-light-Camping/dp/B01N5WRJ8A/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Camp+Stove+Titanium+Stove+Backpacking+Stove+Hiking+Stove+Miniature+Stove+Ultra-Light+Stove+Camping+Stove+Pocket+Stove&qid=1573776480&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-3

    But mine is actually a little different:

    I see there are a lot of BRS labeled stoves on Amazon

    “With independent intellectual property rights, the company has more than 60 patents”

    I think intellectual property rights are a little different in China.  No reason for anyone to respect them

    #3618781
    Jeffs Eleven
    BPL Member

    @woodenwizard

    Locale: NePo

    The tiny stove market is nutz. i wonder how many sub 3oz stoves are sold yearly, worldwide.

     

    I wonder what will be next. Different fuel? Nothing? Stoves finally made of Unobtanium?

    #3618784
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    hydrogen fuel rather than butane?

    #3618799
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Hi Jerry

    I think your stove, branded Fohoz (not Fuhoz), probably IS a BRS-3000T unit, but rebranded by BRS for whoever Fohoz is. The Chinese do a lot of this rebranding. After all, it is just a change of silk-screen. They probably just have an MOQ for it. You pay for the silkscreen and buy 1,000 (say) units.

    Test it. If it goes well and does not get warped, then fine.

    I will stick my neck way out and suggest that the ’60 patents’ comment is probably aimed mainly at the USA market.

    Cheers

    #3618934
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    Roger, I seriously doubt that qc would not have seen such an error.

    Attaching the arm would not have been possible with such a fracture. The action of setting the rivet would have broken it completely.

    More than likely, the owner tried to bend it back to level off the pot support arm and oops, didn’t work to well. operator error.

    Ryan has 3 more BRS’s that failed, see if you can get him to take photos of them please.

    #3618986
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    I seriously doubt that qc would not have seen such an error.
    You would not see it if you were making thousands of them and inspecting them from above. Could have been a very cursory scan over a few dozen at a time at $2/hr.

    Attaching the arm would not have been possible with such a fracture.
    When I have managed to make similar fractures in Ti alloy, the bend was still strong – which amazed me. If the riveting was automated then I think it would have been quite possible for the unit to pass through the system intact.

    the owner tried to bend it back to level off the pot support arm
    The damage in Ryan’s photo was a twist, not a bend. From inspection of the photo, I think the bend was intact, unchanged. So it is possible that the stove was still able to support a pot. Funny stuff, Ti alloys.

    So what caused it the twist? Don’t know. Very puzzling. Could it have been a maladjusted assembly machine? They always have many adjustments on them which have to be tuned and then locked.

    It’s always possible: Coleman once had a batch of ‘faulty’ Powermax canisters due to a maladjustment in the crimping machine used for attaching the Lindal Valves. Caused no end of strange customer complaints. They fixed it after I alerted them to the source of the problem.

    Cheers

    #3619092
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    Roger, the stoves are packaged by hand, I know, I carefully unpacked 6 of them looking for defects.

    What are the odds that 4 rejects of the same type ended up in the package of 7 that Ryan purchased. Highly unlikely. Ryan needs to show us the other 3 rejects ;)

     

    #3619098
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    Jerry, I noticed a defect in your stove pictured above. How did that outward bend occur on the support ring? I enlarged your photo to get a screen shot.

    #3619743
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    #3619749
    Gary Dunckel
    BPL Member

    @zia-grill-guy

    Locale: Boulder

    Dan, that support ring on the one of mine that failed  a year ago also had such an ‘outward bend’, although much less dramatic. It was pretty easy to bend it back into proper position when I got home.

    I finally got around to re-testing that stove’s performance earlier this week, to see if I could replicate the previous failure. I purposely chose to run it at a higher flame setting. I usually run it at 1/4 turn from the off position, but for these tests I opened the valve about 1/3 turn . I did five 2-cup boils using 45* F water. Then, to test a heavier pot weight, I did 3 boils of ~3 cups of that same water in an MSR Titan Kettle. The stove functioned perfectly, with no sign of impending failure as what happened before.

    I’m guessing that excessive heat might have caused the support ring issue. I am thinking that my friend, (who doesn’t quite get it about using a lower flame setting to conserve fuel), would continually fire up the stove at a rather high flame setting. In addition to wasting fuel, this likely created a good amount of heat which could have caused failure of the support ring. I’m just guessing here…

    #3619750
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    this likely created a good amount of heat which could have caused failure of the support ring.
    Trouble with that idea is that the top of the pot support, which does get red hot (see my photo near the top of this page), is not distorted. The rivet area does not get that hot. Strange.

    Cheers

    #3619850
    Dan Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    the owner tried to bend it back to level off the pot support arm
    The damage in Ryan’s photo was a twist, not a bend. From inspection of the photo, I think the bend was intact, unchanged. So it is possible that the stove was still able to support a pot. Funny stuff, Ti alloys.

    So what caused it the twist? Don’t know. Very puzzling. Could it have been a maladjusted assembly machine? They always have many adjustments on them which have to be tuned and then locked.

    Roger, you’ve been around here for ages and then some, In your opinion, why doesn’t Ryan J participate in this discusion being he is the one that has had the experience of the 4 melting stoves?

    #3641262
    Mark Ayers
    BPL Member

    @philoserf

    Locale: greater Grand Rapids, western Michigan, about the midpoint of the North Country National Scenic Trail

    I am surprised the Crux lite was here but not the Crux. I’ve been a Pocket Rocket user for a very long time. I thought the Crux might be a good competitive choice. It was clear the Crux lite wasn’t. Big miss in a comprehensive review.

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