- Jun 16, 2019 at 12:38 am #3598033
Its been reported, that the BRS 3000T pot stand legs of some units will melt and bend after prolonged use.
Well, they don’t really melt, they overheat and slowly bend under the weight of a full pot of water and food.
This doesn’t happen in a single sitting, it tends to happen over repeated overuses.
The reports all seem to have a few things in common: long burn times combined with heavy loads of water or food. For example, cooking up a large pot of rice for 20 minutes.
Independent confirmation of my suspicion: the pot supports do NOT melt; they just soften and sag. The good alloy was replaced by something of poorer quality.
Jun 16, 2019 at 12:51 am #3598042
- This reply was modified 1 month ago by Roger Caffin.
Well Ryan has some pretty hot stoves in his StoveBench Tests. Ryan has been around for as long as we can remember and his description says “melt” He knows something we don’t or else he would have been here to tell us. :-) It must be something about his method of testing with the stove valves wide open, don’t know. We are hoping he will join in on the conversation, show us some photos and explain his comments. Hikin Jim’s photos were interesting and showed there is very disturbing accident prone stove out there that should be taken off the market until the flawed pot supports are resolved. 4 out of 7 is not acceptable.Jun 16, 2019 at 1:31 am #3598047
his description says “melt”
I will simply repeat: you can NOT melt titanium with a propane/air flame. But you can soften it.
CheersJun 16, 2019 at 1:32 am #3598048
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
” do NOT melt; they just soften and sag.”
Twin Towers in 2001Jun 16, 2019 at 2:15 am #3598055
Ryan said 4 of the 7 he tested melted. The batch of 7 he purchased had 4 stoves that some supports were made of a metal that melted, must not have been made of titanium. Somebody mistakenly introduced a coil of substandard metal when stamping out the small support arms. We don’t doubt you Roger about the melting of titanium. We just need the stoves removed from the commercial sellers here in the USA. Ryan and Hikin’ Jim(Jim Barbour) have the ability to do so, at least try. Their expertise in stove testing can convince the authorities to investigate and find the manufacture responsible and have the stoves recalled. It’s the right thing to do. We won’t tolerate our children to be scalded by stove mishaps and forests started on fire.
We don’t doubt you Roger!Jun 16, 2019 at 2:25 am #3598058
If someone substituted another metal for Ti, then that someone should be in big trouble.
Now, how do we contact BRS and ask?
CheersJun 16, 2019 at 2:40 am #3598060
Now, how do we contact BRS and ask?
We ask Ryan Jordan to contact the Federal Consumer Product Safety Commision, submit his findings and then that Comission will contact BRS and ask that question and a lot more.Jun 16, 2019 at 4:13 am #3598062
You could alternately buy a BRS-75 stove. Please note the power rating (7 kW) and the boil time for 1 L (<2 min).
CheersJun 16, 2019 at 1:34 pm #3598076
James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
Well, being in the business makes it difficult to also let it be known you are a “watchdog.” I suspect BPL is simply avoiding all sorts of issues by not responding.
IFF whoever owns a failed stove would sen in complaints, some action could be had. But I suspect BPL will not do this. The foremost is with any testing protocol in place, you often test prototypes that fail for one reason or another. IFF you go running to some sort of consumer protection organization at every failure, you would quickly loose all testing credibility with manufacturers (they don’t send you items to test,) you loose credibility with your audience (because you are not doing any new tests,) besides loosing any testing support/financial support (to purchase stuff to do independent testing for a wide community base,) for example. Other reasons, of course, this is only a single example. Internationalism, wide base of readers that disagree, support from vendors that sell manufacturers products, etc… I am sure Ryan has thought about it further. As a business, it is hard to make a decision like that, because, it means leaving a potentially faulty item for public use resulting in “accidents.”
No, Dan. Going forward by BPL with a formal report means too many negative effects on the business. As I alluded to previously, Consumer Protection is NOT what BPL wants to get involved in. What the readers do, well, that is a different story… most of us do not manufacture things, even information, for sale…Jun 18, 2019 at 11:36 am #3598302
@jamesdmarco, I am sure Ryan has thought about it further. As a business, it is hard to make a decision like that, because, it means leaving a potentially faulty item for public use resulting in “accidents.”
No, Dan. Going forward by BPL with a formal report means too many negative effects on the business. As I alluded to previously, Consumer Protection is NOT what BPL wants to get involved in.
James, you are right, it’s all about the money(business). What I presented to them was a test. Did they pass or did they fail?Jul 10, 2019 at 8:51 pm #3601458
@johnnyh88Locale: The SouthWest
Does the Fire Maple FMS-300T still have the sintered brass filter that should be replaced?
It seems to have done pretty well on fuel-efficiency, even in the wind test.Jul 11, 2019 at 6:35 pm #3601552
Gary DunckelBPL Member
I am curious as to whether the failure rate of the BRS-3000T stoves could be directly related to the fact that the test involved opening the flame valves to maximum output. I have 3 of these stoves, and I always run them at medium-to-medium low flame settings. I only had one mishap, which was using the BRS with one of my JB pot riser disks with a TITANIUM JB pot. One of the support arms must have softened and bent downward when my mate fired up the stove for his dinner pouch. He has a bad habit of running all stoves at very high flame output, and I always chew him out for this (when I catch him). First of all, the pot riser disk requires a lower flame so as to not to quench the flame. The other variable here is that perhaps the titanium JB Sol pot reflects more heat back to the stove than would an aluminum Sol pot. I’ve never had any issues using my aluminum Sol with the BRS-3000T and riser disk, over at least 100 2-cup boils. I easily was able to bend the pot support back to it’s proper position, but I’ve not taken the time to do more testing of that particular stove to see if I could duplicate the failure, and also to test it with an aluminum Sol cup.
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