Climate change, depression and having fun before it all goes south
Nov 20, 2018 at 3:39 am #3564946Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Yeah gentle readers, I know the glaciers and antarctic ice shelves are melting. Nature is changing before our eyes, migration patterns change, flora changes, temperatures increase yearly and the whole thing is going to hell in an hand basket.
Asssrrrggghhh! Do you ever get depressed about this situation? Eh Bucky? Do ya feel like it’s “End Times” for Mom Earth? Is it SO depressing you just sit at home with a cool IPA looking at videos of past trips? Will your kids and grandkids have nothing in the natural world to admire and wonder at?
I was told a decade ago, “Cheer up, things could be worse.” ]
So I cheered up – and sure enough, things got worse. :o(
I KNOW that I’ve had the privilege of living through the greatest period of the greatest country in the best time ecologically and left it in such lousy shape that I’m feeling deep guilt.
I drive a Prius v, backpack, recycle, donate to Audibon, Sierra Club, Earth Justice and others – he!! even Greenpeace (because I’m pi$$ed) and stillI I feel guilty. Was it my twin turbo RX 7? Or my many trips to Eutpope for vacations and all that jet pollution? Was it my profligate purchase of useless c@p?
Ohh the enui. Oh the regret. Oh the ignorance. Mea culpa! mea culpa!
Where’s my Xanax? My Prozac? My Valium? Oh well, IPA needs no prescription.
Happy Thanksgiving fellow Earthlings. You are forgiven your “climate sins”. You knew not what you did.Nov 20, 2018 at 4:26 am #3564959
Ah, but we did know. We knew back in the 80’s that something should be done, perhaps earlier, and instead we put in power someone who reassured us that all would be well, and cut spending on alternative energy, family planning, and gutted environmental regulations – all the things that might have made a difference. My kids say no one over 50 should vote, because they won’t be around long enough to care what happens. They’re right!
Some climate scientists now say it is indeed too late, that the data coming in is far, far beyond the worst case models they predicted. Guilt is fine, the next generation will indeed hate us as they struggle through fires, hurricanes, famine, and war. The sky is falling. The doomsayers wish they were wrong, hope they’re wrong. It doesn’t seem to be so.
The engineers believe technology will provide a solution, but technology got us into this mess didn’t it? A species with a big brain and opposable thumbs but too emotional and childish to grow up and really use that analytical ability to fix this massive problem, instead of creating more problems.
Eric, yes, many of us are depressed. What can you do but go out and enjoy what remains to be enjoyed? There still is beauty, while it lasts. And the Beaujolais nouveau should be out soon, right?Nov 20, 2018 at 1:19 pm #3564995Todd StoughBPL Member
I mean I think things are pretty great. Things change, enjoy life. :)Nov 20, 2018 at 1:32 pm #3564997Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
ChaffworthyNov 20, 2018 at 1:49 pm #3564998KatttBPL Member
Are you talking to family about this? Do you have a therapist? Do they know you drink?Nov 20, 2018 at 2:07 pm #3565000Peter TreiberBPL Member
You could make a pretty convincing graph showing IPAs cause global warming.Nov 20, 2018 at 3:27 pm #3565012Tom KBPL Member
Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming our newest member to CHAFF!
Rule # 1: BYO IPA. ;0)Nov 20, 2018 at 4:00 pm #3565020Jeffs ElevenBPL Member
What have you got against the south?Nov 20, 2018 at 7:26 pm #3565052Tipi WalterBPL Member
I’ve been backpacking in the mountains of TN/VA/NC for 40 years and have seen some terrible changes in that time.
First off, all the towering and mighty hemlocks in my mountains are now dead—due I guess to free trade with Japan and the arrival of the woolly adelgid. Capitalism killed our forest.
Second, there’s a terrible feeling of claustrophobia when I go backpacking in Eastern wilderness areas—due to our population skyrocketing, the take over of mountain roads for motorcycle tourism and harleys with no mufflers and screaming ninja bike noise pollution, the neverending tens of thousands of loud overhead jet flights from big airports in Atlanta, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Asheville and Charlotte etc—and flying directly over every one of our wilderness areas.
The hotter summer temps and seeing a hell of a lot more rattlesnakes than I ever saw in 1975.
The terrible air quality in GSMNP—the worst air pollution of any NP with air as bad as Los Angeles.
The best advice I have to a Younger Me—a backpacker in his/her twenties—Go to Alaska and get out of the East. It’s eat up with sprawl and development and non-stop growth. Projected US population by 2050? 450 million. Will we get more wilderness? Naw. We’ll get more sprawl.Nov 20, 2018 at 7:52 pm #3565058Michael GillenwaterBPL Member
@mwgillenwaterLocale: Seattle area
Alaska is seeing some of the worst impacts of climate change already, and it will increasingly be adversely impacts more than the rest of the USA.Nov 20, 2018 at 10:05 pm #3565081Tipi WalterBPL Member
I just got back from a pre-winter backpacking trip and while out I mused about a report on my little camping radio of our disappearing frogs and turtles—so I wrote this relevant rant in my Trip Report—
“Good weather, bad weather; it’s all the same to Miss Nature, we just have to smell the changes and plan our hunker spots, like the ants or the salamanders or the spiders or squirrels—we’re all in this together.”
“I heard a blurb on the radio about turtles and frogs disappearing because of habitat loss due to human sprawl and it got me to thinking about nuclear war and how we’ll starting disappearing too after we destroy our habitat with atomic radiation and nuclear detonations. Then humans might better understand the plight of the frogs and the turtles as our land is ruined—just as we ruin the land for them we ruin the land for ourselves. Of course this is based on the premise that humans are no more valuable and important than frogs and turtles of which I wholeheartedly agree.”
“In fact, which frogs and turtles have ruined human habitats and are causing our disappearance as we are doing to them? Human centrism is in fact a racism against all other creatures on the planet. Hell, we eat them. Can’t get much more racist than that.”
“No one talks about the rights of frogs and turtles, or thinks about their homelands. Let’s build a hundred million more homes and to hell with them. I gotta think about something else. Maybe oatmeal and the killing of a couple thousand mere Oats.”Nov 20, 2018 at 10:56 pm #3565087Jenny ABPL Member
@jenniferaLocale: Front Range
When I start to go down that depressing road, I remind myself that we humans and our time on earth are nothing more than a thin grease layer in the geologic column. This provides a twisted sort of perspective. The difference between us and all the other species that have gone extinct (most of them, in fact) is that we know we are doing it to ourselves.
(Clink of bottles clinking together.)Nov 20, 2018 at 11:39 pm #3565098
It’s not in chaff yet?
Jenny A- might have to borrow your line “The difference between us and all the other species that have gone extinct (most of them, in fact) is that we know we are doing it to ourselves.”
That’ll get em rolling at Thanksgiving dinner.Nov 21, 2018 at 1:06 am #3565108Tom KBPL Member
“The difference between us and all the other species that have gone extinct (most of them, in fact) is that we know we are doing it to ourselves.”
Some of us. Unfortunately, not nearly enough of us. And then, there’s the “End of Times” crowd. They can hardly wait.Nov 21, 2018 at 2:49 pm #3565181Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
I actually blame Eric’s generation.
Tipi, “No one talks about the rights of frogs and turtles”. Never been to CA?Nov 21, 2018 at 5:29 pm #3565196W I S N E R !Spectator
One of Southern California’s most popular high country climbing areas has been closed for decades due to the endangered mountain yellow-legged frog. We talk frogs a’plenty here.Nov 21, 2018 at 7:09 pm #3565211Brian DevlinBPL Member
I call it a issue of Demand/Supply. As long as “we” all demand new cell phones, bigger TV’s, everything shipped Amazon Prime, big SUV’s, food convenience, etc. this issue will not go away. Kinda drives me nuts when people blame politicians. Sure cuts to spending can hurt the cause but let’s be real….it is “us” that are hurting the cause.Nov 21, 2018 at 7:52 pm #3565245Jenny ABPL Member
@jenniferaLocale: Front Range
Karen, good luck with that. Our family has agreed to disagree on issues like this. We have some family members that know humans are exceptional when compared to all other creatures, and different rules apply. (Not rules backed by science….) Sometimes my cynicism gets the best of me, but I love this body, this planet, and the beauty that surrounds us every day and the ability to appreciate and enjoy it. Perhaps we are unique in the whole universe in this regard – maybe not, who can say for sure, but I will enjoy and treasure it while I am here.
Happy Thanksgiving!Nov 21, 2018 at 8:27 pm #3565251PedestrianBPL Member
What have you got against the south?
Soooo obviously ill mannered!
That should be “the South”…….
(This should help move this thread to Chaff where it rightly belongs)Nov 21, 2018 at 9:56 pm #3565280
Brian Devlin, I respectfully disagree. Consumers are a tiny portion of the problem. Here’s my source:
That said, consuming as a purpose of life, a way of life, is unsatisfactory, to me. If we can find ways to fulfill ourselves and reduce our carbon footprint, huzzah!
I love used stuff. Thanks for sharing through Gear Swap and elsewhere.Nov 21, 2018 at 10:04 pm #3565282Tim HBPL Member
Very Chaff-worthy thread here. My take: OP can not overcome his sense of climate guilt. I mean, driving a Prius and donating to Green Peace, that should take care of any guilt!Nov 21, 2018 at 10:20 pm #3565285Edward John MBPL Member
The only real solution is for young people to stop having babies and for old people to take a long walk in the woods and never come back, or swim out to sea if you can swim; and we are all far too greedy to do thatNov 21, 2018 at 10:41 pm #3565286KatttBPL Member
^^^^ about as against nature as it gets. There are other awful solutions that better align with the natural world than that one^.
This belongs in chaff where misanthropy is all the rage.Nov 21, 2018 at 11:26 pm #3565290Brian DevlinBPL Member
Karen, we are more aligned than you think. Of course consumerism highly influences materials needed for Industry, our zest for large SUVs and daily package delivery – Transportation, the trend/”need” for larger houses- Electricity, heating. Everybody wants more, bigger, faster, etc. On top of that the general public just really sucks at recycling awareness and from what I see this new generation is horrific.Nov 22, 2018 at 1:47 am #3565314
That’s true Brian. Industry responds to consumer trends. But big oil still plays the winning hand, along with the rest of resource extraction business. It’s also not lost on me that my entire state (Alaska) is still utterly dependent on it. We observe, research, document and produce climate change, hand in hand.
i sometimes wish I hadn’t had kids, because of the world they will be forced to contend with. But my head was in the sand too, not really believing it would come to this. Now I do what I can, and always try to do more. And selfishly glad I’ll be gone for the nasty stuff ahead.
My gosh, what does it take to drive a thread into chaff?
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