Apr 9, 2020 at 5:51 pm #3640617
nah I am using the word troll because now and then he does just that.Apr 9, 2020 at 6:15 pm #3640620Monte MastersonBPL Member
@septimiusLocale: Changes Often
I feel for the people who’ve been stricken with COVID 19, it’s serious business. But I get what you mean about spoiled, whiny Americans Roger. You might be more sensitive though because many of them get offended easily. They’re quite emotional. They like freedom of speech just fine as long as it goes along with what they believe.Apr 9, 2020 at 6:56 pm #3640629
Now that is trolling:)Apr 9, 2020 at 7:20 pm #3640635Geoff CaplanBPL Member
@geoffcaplanLocale: Lake District, Cumbria
A thought-provoking Belgian/Dutch study on the potential for cross-infection when walking and running outdoors:
Most of the trail I have access to is open, but there are a couple of pinch points and if I do have to pass anyone I have to admit that I’m selfish and do whatever I can to stay upwind…Apr 9, 2020 at 7:23 pm #3640638
Thank you to those who understand.
Should this be moved to Chaff? A good question. Comments?
ModeratorApr 9, 2020 at 7:37 pm #3640640idesterBPL Member
@doug-iLocale: The Cascades
Ah Rog, perhaps the rest of us did understand as well, but simply disagree with what you wrote.
Nah, that can’t be it.
As far as your question, the thread has certainly taken on tones of chaff, but of course there are already two or three threads on chaff that deal with COVID-19 so I guess it doesn’t necessarily make sense to move this one there. Even though I’m the person who suggested it in the first place.Apr 9, 2020 at 10:06 pm #3640655
RogerApr 9, 2020 at 10:26 pm #3640658
No, it’s fine here. It will return to the topic soon enough. Moderators have a right to an opinion.Apr 9, 2020 at 10:31 pm #3640661Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Well… Although I signed up for a group backpack in early June I’m cancelling it B/C I feel people will not keep the 6 ft.”social distance” or won’t be able to in certain campsites.
So, I’ll solo backpack and maybe even do a northern Nevada backpack I’ve been wanting to do. I’v certainly got the fitness and the gear, maps, guidebook, etc.
This pandemic will come back in November for sure and I fear ski resorts will be hit hard with closures UNLESS we get a good vaccine and medicine that greatly alleviates the symptoms like the anti-body serum now being successfully tested.Apr 9, 2020 at 10:36 pm #3640663
RogerApr 9, 2020 at 11:14 pm #3640666
“the topic” has been exhausted. There will not be more backpacking during the Covid19 outbreak.Apr 10, 2020 at 12:57 am #3640670MWBPL Member
Posting in support and agreement with Roger.
I think it is a shame that the dominate online message is ‘I’m doing it so hard and suffering with these onerous restrictions and its going to affect me for the rest of my live”. And then everyone posting competing for who is suffering the worst, and will be for the longest, even after it it is over. What is with this obsession for wallowing in “poor me” mode?
Rather than the message that a lot of people now and through out history have suffered way worse and didn’t let it define them. You can’t control what happens, but you can control how you think and respond.Apr 10, 2020 at 6:04 am #3640671
Nothing you say has happened here. Perhaps read again. Some of us are concerned that there are people that are suffering. None of us complained about our own lives . But glad you were able to get your frustration about something off your shoulders. Sorry this upset you so.Apr 10, 2020 at 7:53 am #3640677
Ochoco National Forest is not closed, just campgrounds. They say not to put a strain on local resources.
Governor Brown says to locally distance and so forth including to stay at home.
The highway department says you’re free to travel on highways.
There have been several cases like at the beach or in the gorge where large groups congregated so they closed them.
Ochoco is within a half a tank of gas
Still snow there but that should melt off within a week
I might do a backpack there, thinking about it. I seldom see more than about one or two other people per trip. It should be easy to social distance.
Maybe wait another few days to see that things keep stabilizing here
I’d be violating Governor Brown’s instruction to stay at home but otherwise be following rulesApr 10, 2020 at 7:58 am #3640678James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
Yeah, Roger is a troll, but he is OUR troll. Besides, his viewpoints are his. So far he has been mostly correct.
Anyway, the bug will continue to kill our most experienced people (>50) at a MUCH higher rate than our younger people (<50.) I hate the thought of a 30 year old engineer replacing a COVID19 casualty at a nuke plant.
Once we have the most important people protected, then we can use the old technique of temporary antibody immunity. One person can contribute enough to help 10 individuals over the course of a year. So, such immunity obviously goes to our important people fist. NOT our politicians (wanna bet they will get their hands on it anyway?)
Anyway, there is a limit to to how many people we can milk…about a pt per 8 week intervals (well every six weeks if they are not real active.) Roughly we need about 15-20% of the population producing antibodies to be milked every eight weeks to protect everyone else until we can develop a vaccine.
Ha, hey….again, NY will be first… (a somewhat dubious honor.)Apr 10, 2020 at 1:45 pm #3640758Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
That’s what is happening worldwide.
FEAR of having NO income. FEAR of having no place to live. FEAR of dying from this virus, regardless of your age. FEAR of not being able to buy the necessities of life even if you do have the money. FEAR of going bankrupt if your are a small business. FEAR of civil breakdown. (hence gun and ammo panic buying)
So yes, we need to keep FEAR under control and we can best do it by cooperating and helping each other and, like Brian singing in the Monte Python film “The Life of Brian”, “Look on the bright side of life” (OK I realize that analogy and song is a perhaps a teensy bit sick.)Apr 10, 2020 at 4:19 pm #3640773Edward John MBPL Member
Yes but we have to look on the bright side, we currently have the cleanest air in many, many decades.Apr 10, 2020 at 4:25 pm #3640775
“I hate the thought of a 30 year old engineer replacing a COVID19 casualty at a nuke plant.”
Someone would have to teach the 30 year old to drive first so he or she could get to the plant…
yeah that’s right I took a nap and feel feisty!Apr 10, 2020 at 4:30 pm #3640777
ok boomer : )Apr 10, 2020 at 4:45 pm #3640804obx hikerBPL Member
@obxcolaLocale: Outer Banks of North Carolina
I wasn’t going to sign in and so avoid commenting but dammit James you’ve made me do it!
“So, such immunity obviously goes to our important people fist. NOT our politicians (wanna bet they will get their hands on it anyway?)”
While I don’t have the knowledge to take exception with your as usual interesting post I have to disagree with the generally expressed perspective of the power of politicians.
Politicians; unless they are EXTREMELY wealthy and .001% percenters in their own right are really nothing more than basically pets or maybe a better analogy is tools in a tool-set. They do the bidding of the .001 which if we are lucky somewhat coincides with what’s best for the country writ large. Of course they see themselves as some form of partner and no doubt are encouraged to do so but let them cross the wrong person and they find out how much of a partner they are. This is why money in politics and the need for it to run a campaign and things like the 2010 Citizens United ruling are so important. The concentrated power of money distorts the whole system. If any of them get this antibody serum of which you speak it is because they are extremely useful tools and not easily replaced.
And Eric you nailed it on the fear. But then you fit into that category of one of most experienced people.Apr 10, 2020 at 4:58 pm #3640807James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
jscott, Love it, ha, hey…
Fortunately, a lot of the nike plants only hire older people, so it is kind’of a facetious example…
But it is getting time to ramp up the economy again. This will not be successful unless we can guarantee the people we place in some position will stay there and not take 6 weeks off on sick call after working for 3 weeks. NO … Small and medium sized businesses will be running on a shoe string. That means hiring someone that is worth investing their time into to train for whatever task is needed. And to rely on that person for 49 weeks out of a year (2 weeks vacation and 1 week sick time.) (Hell, Farmer Joe may provide his worker a shot, room, board and minimum farm wages. This brings up a rather interesting question of who controls the disbursement of this type of temporary immunity…)
That will require immune candidates either through antibody resistance or recovered from a COVID19 infection. Don’t forget, this disease will pop up at different times until a full vaccine is developed that does not also sterilize the recipient or cause the development of a second set eyeballs on stalks (not quite a joke.)
Anyway, once we reach approximate 20% for milked antibody resistance, I think we will find the trails to be rather crowded, even in the ADK’s. People will want to get outside, sleep in the woods under the stars and play tag with the bears. Nothing will seem half as scary as a tiny virus they cannot even see.Apr 10, 2020 at 5:18 pm #3640821
“Politicians… are really nothing more than basically pets”
ha, ha, ha,… good one
since they’re bought and paid for, maybe slavesApr 10, 2020 at 5:33 pm #3640823idesterBPL Member
@doug-iLocale: The Cascades
But we still don’t know if the antibodies will work in any significant way, and we still don’t know how long immunity might last in those who’ve recovered.Apr 10, 2020 at 6:41 pm #3640846
actually not all politicians are just pets. kate Brown is not just a pet; neither is London Breed, the mayor of S.f. who shut down the city first in the entire country; for that matter Newsome the Gov of Ca. likewise took pro active actions and continues to look out for hospital workers and others aggressively. And on and on. I think it’s important to make distinctions and not just be entirely cynical. Cuomo has risen to the occasion. it makes a difference.
Mostly it’s the “deep state”–bureaucrats that everyone loves to hate that actually know where to source masks and protective gear in China and elsewhere and do the things that actually make things function–like Medicare and Social Security and food stamp programs and thousand other things–these non politician politicians are not ‘pets’.
Others…well,yes.Apr 10, 2020 at 6:57 pm #3640852
Maybe employees is a better description
Yeah, governor brown has largely avoided the covid crisis.
Other states could have done that too
Washington was the worst state, now they’re down to #13
The highest I can remember oregon was #30, now down to #33
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