Tarptent Notch Lithium

I also don’t see the need for two doors in a 1-person shelter.

Seriously?  Views both ways and cross ventilation are a big deal to me.  I don’t ever want another tent that doesn’t open both ways.

Historically, Tarptent has been a well-known critic of Cuben (DCF) fabric for tents.
Not exactly, and it already has been addressed in this thread.
The criticism that TT (Henry Shires) has had towards Cuben Fiber has been about the cost of the material not the material itself.
There are areas where DCF is not ideal and where a stretchy material works better, however TT has several very different design not just a variant of the same theme, so it can be used with some but will not be used with others.

David your post is rather zpacks fanboyish.

You don’t know the features of the tent you are calling not innovative and dismissing the features you do know about like dual doors as not needed.  And doing in such a way that it appears you are speaking for the entire group of through hikers.

it sounds like you are posting about an IPhone after a new android phone was released.

The biggest win for dual doors is your backpack goes on on one side and you get out the others.  The tarp only option allows you to use it with a bivy or just a ground sheet.  The ease of set up of the tarp tent over a heximid is significant.  Those three items are big advantages over a soleplex that one may or may not find worth 1.5 oz and $50.

Also smaller footprint and the struts should make for more head room but that might be a wash with the shorter length.

Lots of reasoms for people to add this to the list of shelters to consider.

Yeah, being able to cook in a vestibule (warning, this is a serious fire risk, do so at your own risk and be very careful!) that doesn’t have gear in it, with your gear in the other, is a BIG help in very inclement weather. Taking the gear out and putting it in the other side would greatly reduce the risks involved.

If the wind direction changes since you pitched your tent, have a second door also allows you to go out the other. Or alter which door you have open for ventilation purposes.

Its not entirely a waste of weight for a solo tent having two doors. Especially given that to accomodate gear, ingress, egress, and cooking you would need a larger single vestible which would increase weight anyway to account for some of the weight differences.

Having the two doors, plus end vents, would make the Notch viable for a wider range of conditions. This is handy on say long trip where you range into tropical conditions. I think the Notch would work well in most tropical conditions where you might otherwise ditch your double skin tent entirely and go for a large tarp with bug net set up, or hammock (for the same, or, more weight)

“I’m trying to understand the excitement here.”

Somehow missed the excitement, but can certainly appreciate the interest.  Agree with Adam about the value of front and rear doors, especially where the rear cover creates a lot of extra storage space for stuff that you won’t be climbing or tripping over in the night.

But as Henry points out, the key is the full double-wall.  OK it’s a net, not a solid fabric, but it will keep the inevitable condensation away from self and gear, especially the puffy stuff.  (Since the inner can be pitched separately, it would be interesting to see a pic of that.)   Are any of the Zpacks tents done with a full inner?  Just tell me, because don’t see how anyone could stay dry in a single wall tent or would even try to what with the light weight that double walls are coming out with these days.

The rave for the coffin-like Nordisk underscored how personal tent choices are.  With a small dog or two, just need more space.  And use only one trekking pole, so not much benefit there.  With the advent of taut walled inners, would never go back to single walls, and have been gratefully dry ever since.  As suggested in the earlier post, just wish for a double wall with an inner that pitches taut simultaneously under the outer.  Until then, will put up with the domes that Roger derisively calls ‘pop-ups,’ and for an occasionally uncomfortable minute or two of pitching give up the benefit of a tent that pitches 100% dry inside in a rain and wind storm.  At least it’s only a minute or two, not all night under a wet single wall.

Which forgive me, raises the question again of how water resistant the Cuben will be after much stuffing , unstuffing and exposure to the elements.  As was also mentioned in the earlier post, are there some good new and aged fabric water column tests of the 0.5 oz Cuben that is currently being manufactured by Dyneema?  That would be good to know before spending $600 US and up for any cuben tent.

I’ll close with a photo of Sara the Sheltie resting in the rain under the cover of the One Planet Goondie.  As Roger states, “You will get wet.”

Hi Sam

What do you do when it has been raining and the long-haired dog is WET?

Cheers

Make a hat

Roger, that’s a short haired chihauia wearing a custom MYOG coat of carefully dyed, twisted, threaded Climashield APEX fibres ;-)

Um – I think the nose is wrong?

Cheers

Hi Roger,

Re: “What do you do when it has been raining and the long-haired dog is WET?”

Umm, GET WET, just like you said would happen.  But a pack towel helps a lot.

And surprise, fur on active outdoor animals who are descended from wandering wolves does not get soaking wet like human hair does.  (Not sure about this, because have been balding since being a Corporal.)  And suspect there is a reason why the Shetland Islanders bred them to have the long fur.

Hmmmm Long hair not fur. Nitpicking I know but the fur is the underlayer, the insulating layer and the hair is there above the fur to protect the fur and stop it getting wet.

I am not a dog person myself but I do notice very great differences between dog breeds where the layering is concerned. A mates malamutes have so much fur that they shed bales of it every summer but the hair layer seems to remain constant

A bit like Nikwax and Paramo clothing systems

Now back to tents

My lovely old Malamute was a miracle of science. I’d be pulling clumps of undercoat out of him all year and his coat would never diminish.

So who ordered one then? I missed the boat on this batch.

Did anyone see this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi89x496mUE

Looks pretty nice!

I love the small metal and plastic hook at the bottom of the doors, I think that’s brilliant.

Also nice to know you can set up the Notch without losing your Airpods…

Nice to see the door clip re-design. It’s hard to say how well it works without trying it in various scenarios, but I’m hopeful that’s it’s nicer to use than my Saddle clips. Looks promising.

I wonder if the coating has been improved on the metal parts so it doesn’t wear down and rust? I think Henry was going to address this.