- Dec 26, 2016 at 5:07 pm #3441924
The zipper seems like an OK compromise for a RUNNING jacket. I sometimes use a Gore WindStopper jacket that doesn’t have taped seams for similar purposes. Works rather well. There’s a flap over that zipper though. Go figure.Dec 27, 2016 at 5:22 am #3441946
Woubeir (from Europe)BPL Member
this is what the zipper they list on the norvan SL
This is the description for their 1st gen waterresisant zipper and the Norvan SL has a Vislon-type :)
(YKK) 1st gen Aquaguard: coil, zipper put backwards into the jacket, waterresistant PU-layer is applied on zipper tape, zipper pull runs also over PU-layer
YKK 2nd gen Aquaguard: molded, waterresistant PU-layer is applied on zipper tape, zipper pull runs only over teeth
YKK Aquaseal: molded, zipper tape itself is waterresistant, zipper pull runs only over teeth, seals between teeth/teeth lock into eachother
Riri Aquazip: between 2nd gen Aquaguard and Aquaseal – molded, waterresistant PU-layer is applied on zipper tape, zipper pull runs only over teeth, seals between teeth/teeth lock into eachotherDec 27, 2016 at 7:34 am #3441951
so is this “water resistant” zipper on a 370 canuckistani dollah dead bird “waterprooof” jacket supposed to pass a simple basic shower test?
ive got an old helium 1 (which to be blunt is more of a “just in case” rain jacket) which can pass the shower test … if you cup and pool the water the zipper eventually leaks a few drops (but only from certain spots, might be because its a few years old), but on a shower test its fine
theres plenty of times in the rainy season up here when its raining as heavily as a shower …
no point on worrying about HH if yr zipper leaks in a shower … especially the front zipper which is pretty exposed
;)Dec 27, 2016 at 8:13 am #3441956
II have the Norvan SL and will put an end to this somewhat silly argument. The jacket is completely waterproof. I wore it in the prolonged rain. Zipper is fine. Let’s move on other people testing the jacket for durability please.Dec 27, 2016 at 10:27 am #3441970
Ahhh but do folks here use it in the HEAVY rain ….
from dead bird norvan sl page
Remember folks its a RUNNING jacket as others and dead bird have said …. They also dont recomend it for actual backpacking, perhaps just a race pack
;)Dec 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm #3441983
Bradley DanylukBPL Member
Thanks for finding that, Eric. Pretty much settles it – the zipper is not waterproof by design. There are open holes between the teeth. To those claiming it’s not a problem, my response would be that you simply haven’t encountered situations where it matters yet (and maybe you never will – good for you, but for some of us it matters) – high-pressure hard rain, and especially wind-blown rain. The shower test failure confirms this quickly. Give it a shot if you don’t believe me.
I like everything else about the jacket, so I would like to keep it. However, the main reason I bought it was because I really liked the idea of a jacket that would never wet out in the very prolonged (multi-day-or-week) rains we get here in BC – not as an emergency shell but actually as a MORE reliable shell for staying dry (given that we accept the fragility) in very long rains. So the zipper problem does bother me.
I think I will look at creating an internal storm flap to help mitigate it. Cuben tape seems like potentially a very easy way of making one, if it sticks, so I might try that out.Dec 27, 2016 at 1:28 pm #3441986
I’m not sure what to think of urban bathroom/shower tests.
Personally, I used the SL in horizontal rain on Mt. Washington, in New Hampshire in winds over 40 mph. It’s waterproof. Zipper works. Shower is not actual rain. :) For me, the jacket works in harshest environments. Only thing I’m not crazy about is the hood in the wind over 40mph – it fits well, but could be better with tighteners and a stiffer bill.Dec 27, 2016 at 2:12 pm #3441990
if yr in coastal BC just wait for a 50mm rain day before modding…. Well likely still get a few of those this winter/spring when it warms up
i wouldnt mod a dead bird personally, especially a rain jacket
theyre usually pretty good with their warranty but i doubt theyd cover it then
;)Jan 8, 2017 at 5:46 pm #3443888
Robert AlexanderBPL Member
This jacket is hidden from the ArcTeryx website but still accessible via google search.
There were pre-orders available through REI about a week or two ago but they burned through them quickly. Now only XL available. Thanks for the comments, all. I think I may wait this wave out.Jan 8, 2017 at 6:15 pm #3443898
I put a pre-order in a few weeks ago through rei. This jacket ticks off just about all the boxes for me for day-long runs in the mountains.
Hopefully they come through with the orders.Jan 8, 2017 at 11:46 pm #3443961
Marc DalessioBPL Member
I spent four hours in the rain in mine the other day. It’s winter here so I wore a lightweight down jacket underneath. The zipper is definitely not waterproof. The front of my puffy (where the zipper is) was wet under the Norvan SL.Mar 4, 2017 at 2:42 pm #3454392
Totally reviving a dead ish thread here, but this piece has piqued my interest. Sounds almost too good to be true, durability prospects be damned.
@ Chris & Gary after playing with it this long do you either of you guys think this thing could survive a thru hike of the PCT? I’m going SOBO this year and should avoid a rainy PNW (in theory)…Mar 4, 2017 at 3:50 pm #3454406
It’s my favorite shell now. Eats rain up all day. Never wets out like every other shell out there. But a thruhike – absolutely not. Not durable enough for that. Weekend warrior and multiday – sure. After 6 months on the trail there will be nothing left of it. Get the columbia version of this jacket – it’s 12oz, bulky and ugly, but does the job.Mar 4, 2017 at 4:56 pm #3454418
Awesomesauce, Gary. Really can’t wait to see more manufacturers start building their jackets this way. The Columbia stuff is pretty pricey like Arcteryx but also a tad heavy. It’d be interesting if OR would hurry up and build a sub 10oz jacket with torsoflo and this material.. :)Mar 4, 2017 at 8:01 pm #3454451
Dave BBPL Member
@dave-bLocale: Los Angeles area
Would you say it’s more durable or less durable than driducks / frogg toggs?Mar 4, 2017 at 11:00 pm #3454473
Bradley DanylukBPL Member
It has better tear resistance, slightly better puncture resistance (not much), probably worse abrasion resistance.Mar 4, 2017 at 11:22 pm #3454476
Paul S.BPL Member
The Columbia Gold jackets are the cheapest and lightest. The other versions mostly likely have better features and fit but heavier and cost a lot more.
I got the Gold jacket for its durability, however I am very tempted to try a ShakeDry jacket to save weight and get better fit/features.Feb 15, 2018 at 9:09 pm #3518622
Reviving an old thread, but wanted to post that I returned my Norvan SL today. The jacket was great, but was let down by the leaky zipper on a couple of occasions.
I just placed an order for Gore’s version of a similar jacket, hoping for better luck with the zipper on that one. I can’t find any specifics about what zipper they use and if it should or shouldn’t perform better than the Arcteryx one. Looking forward to having a pocket to use too.
Earlier in this thread read I had speculated that the zipper was probably adequate for the jackets purpose as a running shell. That may hold true for some, but for me, having my baselayer wicking a bunch of moisture coming in through the zipper on a cold wet day just seemed like a design flaw that I hope they address with a future generation of this jacket.
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