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Jon Leibowitz BPL Member
PostedDec 8, 2014 at 5:34 am

"I TRUST MY BUDDIES FIELD EXPERTISE AS A "WORKING" PROFESSIONAL.

better safe than sorry. they dont carry high power carbines for show. bear spray is carried and used. carbine when it gets hairy."

Most people that carry sidearms into the back country fall in to 2 camps. Camp 1: they are hunting. Camp 2: they are afraid of the woods. Statistics show bear spray is more effective againt brown bears than a gun. Also, if you take proper bear precautions, there is zero reason a brown bear or black for that matter should have any interest in you sleeping in your tent. Your food, smelly cosmetics, and anything else with a scent should be far away from your tent securely put away.

To the bigger point, you started this thread about solo pack packing in Georgia unless I missed something. You don't have brown bears where you live.

PostedDec 8, 2014 at 8:40 am

Jerry,
Thanks for the list.

Is there a list of bear attacks /mountain lion attacks that did not result in fatality, but were cause for serious injury?

Bear noise at night

PostedDec 8, 2014 at 8:56 am

Some guy in his tent shooting in random directions in the dark? I hope I’m not camped near by. I’ll take my chances with the bears.

This video was posted a while ago. Very good researched-based talk on safety procedures in bear country. Based on research and data rather than “I heard from some guy….”.

And what are the odds of getting killed in an auto accident vs bear attack in a National Park?

The Most Dangerous Things in a National Park
Karen Rowan | July 30, 2010 12:19pm ET

A fatal bear attack in a Montana campground near Yellowstone National Park prompted a flurry of concerned phone calls to the park this week, but bear attacks are far from the most common danger to park visitors.

In fact, there hasn’t been a bear mauling in Yellowstone since 1986, said Yellowstone public affairs officer Linda Miller.

Motor vehicle accidents may be the most common way people are killed or injured in national parks, said Gerry Gaumer, deputy chief of public affairs for the National Park Service (NPS)….

….Twenty deaths within Yellowstone during those years were due to motorvehicle accidents, but the park-reported numbers do not include people who transported out of the park after an accident who later died of their injuries once off-site, Miller said….

Katherine . BPL Member
PostedDec 8, 2014 at 11:05 am

Curiously the OP also said he can tell really good ghost story…

Could it be that his friends are just trying to out-do him in the scary-camping-story department?

PostedDec 9, 2014 at 3:05 pm

damn… i see mods delete post here. strange


Not strange at all. I will delete posts which are rude, abusive, spam, or seriously out of place. If someone wants to troll, do it in Chaff. Most readers know that.

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HkNewman BPL Member
PostedDec 9, 2014 at 7:53 pm

Most black bear run away but one who didn't was a big guy who crossed the trail right in front of me with no sound or warning from the adjacent trees. Simply ignored me on its way to a fishing spot most likely and vanished … kind of like New York city. By the time I thought about a camera it was gone. If humans were on the menu, there'd be a lot more dead humans. Just know their behavior, check your campsite for previous occupants trash if possible. Think the description of bear attraction is liking hot salsa but not when squirted in the eyes.

PostedDec 9, 2014 at 10:55 pm

hmmm… took gun fire to get the bear to stop attack. wow! and… he was attacked in his tent. wow! no… this type of stuff doesnt happen, no need to worry about bear attacks. lol. again… dont be a statistic. always carry a firearm in bear country.

Robert Blean BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 12:20 am

always carry a firearm in bear country

No can do — not legal in national parks.

The only place I have consistently seen advising that travelers carry a firearm for bear protection is in polar bear territory, such as around Hudson's Bay. Polar bears are definitely at the top of the heap and have been known to stalk humans. Up there no one is talking of any little handgun, either — they are advising a 12 gauge shotgun.

–MV

PostedDec 10, 2014 at 12:40 am

hmmm… that is a big fat lie. yes, you can carry a firearm in national parks. i respect and abide all local and federal laws. i carry a firearm on me at all times. actually, ive seen more hikers in the past 5 years carrying firearms. not just for protection against wild animals but for illegal hunters. do you know what a redneck will do if you catch them in the act of illegally hunting? you better have a gun. thats all im gonna say on that matter.

Q. Can I have a firearm in every park after February 22, 2010?

A. If you can legally possess a firearm outside of a national park, you can possess it in that park on and after February 22, 2010. It is up to visitors to understand the requirements of federal law and the laws of the states/localities they live in or are travelling to (or through). Park websites have been updated to offer basic information about the applicable state law(s) and will generally include a link to a state website with more information.

http://www.nps.gov/appa/parkmgmt/questions-and-answers.htm

Justin Baker BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 1:05 am

It is not legal to carry a firearm in a national park in California without a concealed carry permit.

Robert Blean BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 1:09 am

hmmm… that is a big fat lie

I fail to see why you are being rude and offensive. I was unaware that the relevant rules changed in 2010 — that may make my statement inaccurate, but it does not make my statement a lie (deliberately deceptive).

–MV

Robert Blean BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 1:14 am

A quick Google search turned up this regarding Yosemite NP.

As of February 22, 2010, a federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park.

It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. As a starting point, visit the California Attorney General’s website.

Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances.

Discharging a firearm for any reason is illegal.

(My emphasis added.) It appears to me that you may be technically correct, but that all you can legally do with your firearm is use it as a club — have fun clubbing the bear.

FWIW: I was surprised to note that the same page also prohibits possessing or discharging bear spray.

–MV

Robert Blean BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 1:29 am

OK — here it is for Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks:

Weapons and Firearms
As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park.

As of January 1, 2013, California law prohibits the open carry of any firearm within the parks. Persons otherwise permitted to possess firearms (in general) may possess a concealed firearm with a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm (CCW) from California. A CCW from another state does not apply.

Weapons (including, but not limited to, BB, Pellet and Paint Guns, Bow/Arrow, Slingshots, Bear Spray and other compressed gas irritant devices) are illegal to possess.

Discharge of a firearm or weapon is prohibited within Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks.

Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. This also applies to concealed firearms with a valid CCW.

It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. As a starting point, please visit the State of California Penal Code web site (see Part 6 – Control of Deadly Weapons).

(My emphasis added.) This, for all practical purposes bans firearms is SEKI. Most people cannot legally carry one — most do not have a California conceal weapon permit. Those who do cannot legally discharge it — have fun clubbing the bear. Those who do (illegally) shoot at a bear with their concealed weapon had better be really, really good because the encounter will be a super-close range and most concealed weapons are not the sort of weapon normally used to bring down a bear.

–MV

Robert Blean BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 1:52 am

Summary thoughts:

*) Gun limitations are not just in the Sierras, either. For example, Pinnacles National Park says “The use or discharge of a firearm in Pinnacles National Park is prohibited.”

*) This is also not limited to California. For example, Grand Teton National Park says “Firearms may not be discharged in this national park (except during legal hunting seasons) and can not be used as a wildlife protection strategy. Bear spray and other safety precautions are the proven methods for preventing bear and other wildlife interactions.”

*) You said my statement was a lie — yes, I took offense. I may make a mistake, but I do not lie. In this case I was unaware of the 2010 happenings. Further investigation shows that, while I was technically incorrect, my comment is accurate for all practical purposes.

*) Your posting is even more foolish because it is only technically correct. It is apparently true that some people — those with a valid California concealed carry permit — can carry a concealed weapon in the national parks out here, but they cannot discharge their weapon. Now I ask you — just how valuable is it to carry a weapon that (a) must be concealed, making it at least a little less accessible and (b) you cannot legally discharge in any event?

In the Tetons you are not restricted to concealed carry, but still are not allowed to discharge your weapon other than for legal hunting. Note that they specifically call out that guns are not a legitimate wildlife defense strategy. They do allow bear spray, and say that it is a more effective defense. I presume the reason they allow bear spray, while the California national parks do not, is that some of the Teton bears are grizzly bears.

I suggest that, for all practical purposes, my original statement was correct — that for every national park I have checked (5 of them) one cannot legally use a firearm for bear protection. Can we please stop this nonsense that everyone needs to have a firearm for bear protection when it is not even a legal thing to do in so many places?

At least in the lower 48 the proper bear safety procedures are the ones others in this forum have discussed — keep a clean camp, do not cook near your tent (and preferably not in camp at all), store your food and smellables properly, best not to camp where bears are used to finding food, carry bear spray where it is legal (afaik it is always legal in grizzly country — dunno about the Appalachians, Minnesota, etc)

A firearm may be a good idea in parts of Alaska (I am not sure about that) and one is definitely recommended in polar bear country (e.g. a canoe trip to Hudson’s Bay.)

–MV

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 6:57 am

Funny how "gun rights" is the most contentious topic possible

Even more than religion and politics

I see someone with gun occasionally. Hunters. They seem friendly.

It's kind of like bears. The first time I saw a bear I was a bit scared. After a few sightings, I now just try to get my camera out. Same thing with hunters – I've decided they're harmless so they don't bother me anymore. Although I try to avoid most dangerous times, like early October when more inexperienced hunters come out.

Carry a gun if you wish. Consider it just something fun to take. But the probability that it will be required for your safety is small. Maybe better to focus on dangers that are more likely, like hypothermia or falling and breaking your leg.

Dave @ Oware BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 7:03 am

not the Sierras ;^,

Some of this issue is under hike your own hike. Some of it in chaff. Rules and cultural norms vary. Heck, I lived in a place where painting your house black, white or a primary color was illegal.

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 7:08 am

I'll echo others advice, just go.

Too much waiting otherwise.

Took some convincing with the wife at first. Now it's business as usual.

Meet other hikers while out hiking. Or avoid them like the plague, you choose.

Have fun with your time.

PostedDec 10, 2014 at 7:08 am

Robert,
Keep in mind that "david drake" is an admitted troll, has had his posts deleted, and is still here to generally screw with people.

Feeding trolls is contra-productive. An accurate and honest post does no good against twisted logic, semantics, and looping arguments.

DavidDrake2
A PG photoshop of his avatar.

Save your energy. And certainly, don't take it personally.

PostedDec 10, 2014 at 7:34 am

thank you. the hard part is going to be convincing the wife. eventually, she will come around. i actually enjoy going solo. meeting people on the trail is a plus

PostedDec 10, 2014 at 8:54 am

Move this to Chaff or delete this thread. It is a continuation of a trolling thread.

PostedDec 10, 2014 at 8:54 am

are you trying to point me out? horrible attempt. thank you for trying

Jake D BPL Member
PostedDec 10, 2014 at 11:30 am

Trolling stopped being cool around 2003. Piss poor attempts at trolling was never cool.

maybe you can find someone to talk to on Reddit but you should probably just go away.

ktnx biiiii

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