Bad experience with Jetboil

Do you mean me Larry?

If so my cup failed over a year ago, i ended up buying a replacement cup.
Thought about selling the Sol Ti on, but to be honest i couldn't in good conscience sell on something i know will fail again.
So i keep it in my car in the emergency kit, even then it's only kept as a back up to my main stove.
That's how much faith i have in the product

"Do you mean me Larry?"

No, I meant the OP. But, I confess to getting the two of you confused…

It should be noted that the cup in the photograph on page 2 is a Gen1 cup and not a Gen2 cup.

(edited: fact correction)

"The photograph displayed on page 2 is mine. I authorized used to adventuresinstoving for use within his article. It should be noted that the cup in the photograph was a Gen1 cup and not a Gen2 cup.

Hi John,

Are you referring to this pic?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/cbr6fs/IMAG0264.jpg

If so i'm afraid you are mistaken, that is a pic i took myself of my damaged cup.

Thank you for linking to the differences in various cups though, i was not aware there were differences.
My failed cup was/is indeed a Gen1, unfortunately after checking it seems the replacement i purchased is also a Gen1.
I hold even less hope for it now :(

"there have been many many of the exact same failures from many users"

Does 'many many' mean a 'few' or just a 'couple?' Or perhaps 'some' or maybe 'a ton?'

Just trying to add some scientific context here for the 'Fanboys.'

A couple of things:
1. Ti Jetboils have had some problems. What percentage, I don’t know, but I did document the problem on my blog some time ago: Titanium JetBoil Sol — Caution

2. In an article I wrote, I found that the difference between a Ti Jetboil Sol and an Al Jetboil Sol was approximately 1 ounce. See the side-by-side comparison toward the end of the article for a detailed break out. Note: Jetboil looks like they’ve subsequently redesigned the Aluminum version. The redesigned version looks heavier than the first Al Sol.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Ryan Jordan's just failed.

https://twitter.com/bigskyry/status/389257842458251264/photo/1

Easy way to prevent the orange thingie from melting is to just remove the stupid thing.

http://hikelighter.com/2013/05/22/jetboil-sol-ti/

Reference ‘Overall System Weight’ section and photos at bottom of article.

"Ryan Jordan's just failed."

Ryan Jordan ‏@bigskyry 13 Oct:
"…Maybe insufficient heat dissipation using the combo of the add-on pot support and a fry pan."

Maybe operator error…

Anyone can make anything fail if they try hard enough.

Fwiw, The frying pan is listed as a compatable product on jb's Webpage for the ti Sol.

"Maybe operator error…

Anyone can make anything fail if they try hard enough."

Difficult to see how it could be op error.

He was using a JB stove, with a JB gas cartridge with a JB adaptor under a frying pan that JB list as compatible.

I blame it on the bacon!!!

…

Is that the problem?

Jetboil. Still needs work.

What I don't get is so many of you have to find ways to pack cumbersome government approved bear canisters in order to backpack, then why on earth would you ever pack something like that jetboil thingy I see at EMS all the time.

So it boils water on less gas, though I've yet to see any proof of that, assume it does because the flame is so enclosed. So you boil water, can you simmer your pasta or rice or goulash with one boil? And what does an enclosed flame mean – from what I've read here it means a much greater likelihood of carbon monoxide, the silent and undetectable killer, being generated.

The whole thing looks like a big marketing scam, the company treats customers like ****, and now it appears it's not even fire safe. Well what did you think would happen when you mixed a hot flame with plastic in one piece of topheavy gear? Good grief.

+1

I have an idea. Go get the Lockheed Skunk Works to make a Jetboil forged out of one-piece titanium like it did for major portions of the SR-71 Blackbird. Nothing to come apart. No welds to break.

–B.G.–

I just love to take a few classic stoves out, heck with something that is fast, it's all about the experience. Nothing like touching off a old MSR G or GK, or even a Optimus 111 or 8/8R. :)
Duane

3 people with Jetboil issues, probably due to user error.

One case of Jetboil customer service not playing nice.

A growing BPL witch hunt.

….Priceless.

; )

Roger's article http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/canister_stove_efficiency_p3.html

said that average upright use 11.6 g to heat 1 liter of water

jetboils used 9 g

that's about 20% less

Ti Sol weighs about the same as a stove+pot+windscreen

If you were on a trip where one canister was enough with jetboil, but you required 2 canisters with conventional upright, that would be significant, well, if a canister weighs 7 ounces and you think that's significant, then it would be significant

If one canister is sufficient with conventional upright, then it wouldn't make much difference

best "marketing scam" evah … he uses it in the Himalayas to scam suckers ….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87CZL8wq-YQ

interestingly enuff … as indicated the majority of the talk of failures is with the Ti version …

http://www.google.ca/#psj=1&q=jetboil+failure&start=0

there doesnt seem to be that many failures of other non Ti jetboils

of course how jetboil deals with the issues also matters

;)

"What I don't get is so many of you have to find ways to pack cumbersome government approved bear canisters in order to backpack, then why on earth would you ever pack something like that jetboil thingy I see at EMS all the time.

So it boils water on less gas, though I've yet to see any proof of that, assume it does because the flame is so enclosed. So you boil water, can you simmer your pasta or rice or goulash with one boil? And what does an enclosed flame mean – from what I've read here it means a much greater likelihood of carbon monoxide, the silent and undetectable killer, being generated.

The whole thing looks like a big marketing scam, the company treats customers like ****, and now it appears it's not even fire safe. Well what did you think would happen when you mixed a hot flame with plastic in one piece of topheavy gear? Good grief."

I have several stoves and choose the stove that i feel is the best solution for that trek.
How much fuel it uses or if the flame is hidden is just part of my decision making process.

If you haven't used a JB it is extremely handy when it's working right, i can have it out my pack and be sitting with a cup of boiling water in just over 4 mins.
Several times i am able to be sitting, drinking my cup of tea before my hiking buddy alcohol stove has even started blooming.
No soot, no mess, fast and efficient, when it's working well it really is a great system.

Problem is the Ti version has some fundamental design flaws.

Not really sure the point you're trying to make with regards to CO, maybe you are confused?
ANY fire you have in a poorly ventilated space is a CO poisoning risk, gas burner type stoves are no more or less a risk than say a alcohol or petrol burning stove.

To my mind anyone that cooks inside a tent (i mean inside a closed tent, not under a open bell) no matter what the stove is asking for trouble.

"3 people with Jetboil issues, probably due to user error.

One case of Jetboil customer service not playing nice.

A growing BPL witch hunt.

….Priceless."

A few things

1/ How is your post likely to move the thread along or help anyone?
You have offered no experiences, no advice and no insight, on many of the other forums i visit you'd be considered a troll

2/ You haven't even bothered to check your facts before posting, as there are far more than 3 of the exact same failure by more users

3/ If i have problems with kit and the manf comes good and provides great after sales service i'm the first to sing their praises as often and as loud as i can.
In this case all the manf can be bothered to do is say it was operator error, even though it's a well documented fault on this model, a model that is the top of their range and the most expensive by a fair margin

4/ By your own figures you say it's only 3 people that have had problems if you believe that to be the case that's not much of a which hunt is it ;)

If people stick to the facts and comment only on their experiences with this product then the thread will move on and hopefully JB will man up and admit it's a design problem.
If posters like yourself keep making unsubstantiated claims in a childish attempt to troll up some sort of response then it's not doing anyone any good.

JB should have a read through this thread, try and get together exactly how many of the exact same failure, from complaints they've received and failures they've observed (heat exchanger) on forum posts (JB ARE reading this thread as they pop up on most hiking forums after their name is mentioned), compare that to how many have been sold and go from there.

It will be tough to get a definitive answer as how many folks buy kit and never use it, but still there is no denying the fact that there have been at least several of the exact same failures on this product.
Failures that have not occurred on their cheaper models, that tells me they got it wrong here

double post

I've read the thread, but maybe I missed it. Has anyone failed a Sol Ti boiling water only? Have the instructions changed?

http://shop.jetboil.com/files/sol-ti-sumo-ti-quickstart-v4.pdf

1) BOILING WATER: For fastest performance, use high heat
when boiling liquid water. Follow normal operating instructions.
Adding non-liquids (soup mix, oatmeal, dehydrated meal, etc.) to
water can result in damage to the cup and fins.
2) DO NOT USE TO MELT SNOW OR ICE: Do not use to
melt snow or ice as improper use may cause the cup to overheat
and fins may be damaged.
3) DO NOT COOK SOUPS OR OTHER FOODS: Sol® TI and
SUMO® TI are ideal for fast and fuel efficient water boiling only.
Do not use for cooking food to avoid potential damage to cooking
cup or FluxRing®.

Seems pretty clear to me. Baked beans, however runny, = not water.

^^^

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