Combined order for green cuben – Anybody want some?

You gotta tell us what he said. Can't throw that out there and leave us hanging. Did he confirm which type he is calling .6oz?

-Tim

You might want to try clicking on the link!

didn't even think of that, just assumed it was a link to his profile. How easy it is to be dull.

Yeah, I'm out for sure. I need the heavier stuff.

-Tim

Jon at cubic Tech tells me they will now go ahead with production scheduled for completion in 2-3 weeks.

Ordering is probably only by phone with CC details, I'll get confirmation on procedure. Please get your friends organised for quantities, paypal payments etc to subdivide the combined small orders.

Edit:

Whoooaaah! I just saw the posts above from Hendrick and Tim regarding Ron at MLD's info.

According to the .pdf sent to me by Jon at Cubic Tech, the CT1K.08 is 17.4g/m2 and the CT2K.08 is 25.3g/m2. The weight difference between these two is a lot more than the difference between 0.51oz and 0.6oz per square yard.

One square meter is 1.196 square yards.
One ounce is 28.35g
17.4g/1.196 = 14.548g = 0.513 oz
25.3g/1.196 = 21.154g = 0.746 oz

The stronger material is almost half as heavy again.

I wish America could get it's metric conversion under control. Maybe Ron was obfuscating to keep trade secrets and make his gear sound lighter. :-)

Obviously if we are spending big bucks we want something durable. I'll PM David Olsen and see what he has to say. It's not too late to switch weights if that's what everyone wants to do and David agrees.

Not that my 2 yards are all that significant, but the heavier stuff sounds like the way to go after reading that post by Ron at MLD. "Tearable by hand' sounds a little scary for the lighter stuff.

For those who haven’t read it, Ron Bell posted a thread about the differences between the cuben he uses. You might want to take a good look at the CT1K.08 that we’ve all been thinking about ordering. It may not be what you imagine. Ron calls it 0.45 weight, and quite fragile. Unless I’m misreading Rog’s original post, but he does write “CT1K.08” and not “CT2K.08”, which Ron mentions as the .6 .oz weight and what he uses in his tarps and shelters. Still, there was mention of 0.51 oz weight for CT1K.08, so I’m a bit confused about the differences.

Edit: Oops! Guess everyone saw the post after I started writing my comment and then waited until this afternoon to post it!

Miguel, see the math in my edited post above. Ok, I have to go to work, see you all later.

I'm guessing the different part numbers Ron references in his summary are typos and the one's we're looking at are CT2K.08 and not CN2K.08 or C2K.08?
Yup, my vote goes for the heavier stuff, it's still pretty light and I don't want to trash 100 bucks of fabric in the first stiff breeze.

Hey folks!

Sorry, but I am out from the order.
It becomes too complicated to me and also
the dispatch to Germany becomes too
expensive for me.

Rob, please take my 20 yds
from the order out.

Best regards
Mateusz

We need a US distributor as that's the cheapest place to ship from.

I definitely want the stronger CT2K.08

If possible I would prefer the stronger CT2K.08 also.
Mike

OK, didn't mean to stir things up, simply got the impression from Ron's post that the lightweight Cuben wouldn't suit my needs.

In case you're going to order the Cuben which Ron refers to as CN2K.08, I might be back on board (I still first know on Friday for sure), though only if we find someone in the USA who would act as a distributor as it makes it easier to everyone else involved.

Ok, looks like some quick decisions have been made here. I just want to make a couple of points regarding material weight and shipping.

1) 1.1oz silnylon ripstop tears pretty easy too if you nick an edge and pull it. This weight has been the cottage industry standard for light tarps for years. I haven't heard any reports of catastrophic failures. This is because tent makers put seams on the edge of the cloth. It doubles the strength and prevents fraying.

2) If Ron managed to rip the cloth pulling it over the corner of his cutting table, then the corner of his cutting table is too sharp.

3) I take care of my gear, and travel very light. I still favour the 0.51oz material, but will go with the majority. Bear in mind that we are still waiting for another tentmakers opinion which is important with regards to the present order: David Olsen's.

4) If someone in the states really wants some of this, they may offer to help with forwarding material to overseas members. All for one and one for all, right?

I still want the stronger stuff as I am using it for a bivy base.

I want the heavier stuff too.

Rog,

I must disagree that silnylon tears easily. I am a big man (extensively documented)and i can't tear it at all, i can deform it but without a significant starter cut i can't do much to it. (i have had silnylon from Quest that was easy to tear, but the stuff from Noah Lamport and OWFINC seems to be much stronger)

I have been using the .33 for quilts and if the .51(Ron's .45) is anything like it i can easily see it getting damaged during the construction process. I think this can be controlled by treating it like tissue paper and lifting it to move it instead of pulling it (across a table's corner)

The .51 isn't much different than the .48 that is available from quest. I think that if you are going to put the energy toward getting this specially made I would want to get something that i couldn't easily get elsewhere. I think the durability of the .75(Ron's .6) is what is needed for shelters (maybe extreme light shelters of the other stuff are exciting, but who knows how long they will last)

I too would like David Olsen's opinion on this matter. He has been making cuben gear too and it would be interesting to compare what he uses vs. MLD. (Dave posted as i was writing)

-Tim

The 0.51oz/yd was a nogo for me, the prospect of it being 0.6oz/yd moves me into the strong maybe category. But being one of those "tell me precisely what we're talking about" kind of folks I called Cuben Tech:

1) They are quite tuned into this discussion and are thinking that it is heading towards CT2K08. The rest of my notes here is about that product in the green color.
2) The product is sold in 9 meter increments only. So folks wanting quantity not in 9 meter increments will need a middle man to receive, cut and forward it to you.
3) CT2K08 weighs 0.6oz per sailmaker's yard which he said is 0.74oz per 36"by36" yard
4) I asked about McNett AquaSeal adhesive. With the caveat that they do not endorse any other product used with theirs he said that it works well but all adhesives will fail sooner with peel forces than with shear forces and they like a combo of adhesive and stitching.
5) I asked about suggested stitch length and he said 6-8 per inch, definitely be longer than 10 per inch. 6 per inch is about as long as most home machines will do.
6) He confirmed that the product will be 54 inches wide.
7) Price would be $23.46 per running meter, $211.14 per 9 meter panel

Like a couple others I need to sleep on this but IF I'm in it'd probably be for a 9 meter panel.

Also IF I'm in I'd be willing to be a middleman, cut panels into partial lengths and forward to others including overseas. Cost would be my actual cost delivered to me plus actual shipping fees to forward it plus 10% to cover PayPal fees, packaging and a tiny bit for my time

Well done Jim.
What a team effort, this is great.
I am still in for 9 meters, and willing to share the load of distribution under the same conditions.
Mike

Ok, I've pulled a long shift, and will keep this brief because I have another to do tomorrow.

Jim, thanks for the solid info and the offer to help distribute. Michael, thanks to you too for backing up the distribution.

It's clear that the general consensus is to go for the 0.748oz weight. I have no problem with that, as I said earlier, I go with the majority decision, and I thank Tim and Ron for their expert input.

Jon has emailed me to say that Cubic Tech are happy to produce whatever we settle on.

So this just leaves us with about 20 yards to fulfill the order now Matheus has dropped out. I don't think we'll have any problem finding more buyers, especially now that we have kind offers to forward the material in small cut quantities from like minded MYOGers.

Thanks to everyone, this is heading for a good result.

I am no "expert" when it comes to cuben shelters. I work with the .33 a lot right now, but i look forward to working with the heavier stuff that i don't have to be afraid to breathe on. If we're getting the .75 i think i will get some too. I know i have at least 9m to get right now, maybe another 9 in a few days, we'll see.

-Tim

I can bump my order to 18 meters if that will help. With Roger Caffin's help I may be attempting to create a double wall tunnel tent.
Mike

Great, sounds like we are back up to quantity, I'll update the list on the original post so Jon can get a handle on the order quantity without having to wade through the thread.

Tim, your knowledge about the .33 weight material has helped inform this decision. That said, I have a small piece of the .48 from Quest I got a while back and it seems pretty strong to me. Anyhow, I'm not grumbling, because the .74 will be going on a round the world trip with me and Kath in a year or so, and it's still half the weight of the nylon we would have had to take otherwise.

Thanks for your help on this Jim, would it be better for you if we make payments to you through PayPal as a gift which would save you any PayPal fees? I guess it's all much of a muchness.
Also, if the panels are in meter lengths should we all order in meters? I'd prefer 4 meters rather than 4 yards to be honest and it would avoid any Space Shuttle type metric/imperial confusion. Does seem strange that they confirmed it's 54 inches wide and yet sold in 9 meter lengths.
I'm feeling pretty unwell right now so hopefully I'm making sense and I've not just confused the issue, if so just ignore me : O )

Responses to Matt's questions are below. But one of them triggered awareness of a factor I failed to consider. We have 16 yards (maybe meters) of "short orders" (not a length in 9m increments). I'd have to order 18 meters to cover that. For lower priced material I'd just buy the two extra meters myself … I'd use it sooner or later … but not at this price!

My first idea for a solution is to round every "short order" up to what would make the total a 9 meter increment (your costs increase). Are folks OK with that idea? Other ideas?

Hendrick's possible 5 and/or Jared's possible 6-9 would shift the details of this issue. We can get more specific when decisions are made.

Thanks for your help on this Jim, would it be better for you if we make payments to you through PayPal as a gift which would save you any PayPal fees?

I wasn't aware of that option. That'd be fine with me.

Also, if the panels are in meter lengths should we all order in meters?

Well, since I don't think I own a "meter stick" but do own a "yard stick" I'll be doing conversion if folks order meters. But I can do either way. And yes, unlike NASA's contractors, I DO know how to do the conversion (that SNAFU happened on a Mars mission, not shuttle, IIRC).

BTW, I won't be on the net Friday thru Monday (gotta get out and hike once in a while) and am pretty much fully booked between now and Friday.

So don't get too nervous if I'm less responsive than normal for the next 6 days;-)