New Tarptent ;this is the Moment !!!

Christopher
Here in Australia we would "chuck a sickie" , that means taking the day off for some unspecified illness.
What do you do in the evening or at night ?
Can't believe that you would post something like that. You have just spoiled my day.
Franco

That's fantastic Franco,
I guess that's one of the cultural differences between our countries.
Definitely worth a sickie.

I am also curious to the moments storm worthiness vs the atko or laser. And I second the request for some pictures!

David, the Moment would definitely shed high winds better, than the Supermid. Nope, no Moment for me, its either a tarp, pyramid shelter, or an actual dual-wall tent.
If I had to choose btwn the Hille Akto or the Moment, I'd go with with the Akto, although, it does cost much more. But, because of the Akto's inner tent, you'll stay drier in the worst weather.
Basically, I'm just messing with ya too, HA! Nice Tent, the Moment, I'm sure it will serve you well.
In your neck of the woods, I'm sure high elevation and high winds go hand in hand.
Here in the Great North-woods of Michigan, its not as great a factor with wind, unless you pitch your shelters directly exposed to one of our Great Lakes

Brett
In my last job after 21 years I had about 10 sick days and that includes 2 days after a small accident at work.
But ,when I received the Rainbow and the Contrail they were both up within minutes of getting my hands on the parcel.
As far as culture, I get mine from yogurt.

Michael
I am also not using the shelters I don't have…
Franco

So that means 8 days off for new tents?!!

For 1-2 more ounces compared to the moment, you can have a MLD duomid with the inner tent which holds 2.

OR

save 3-4 ounces and get the duomid with the single inner tent.

I still really like the moment though. Should be a great design. No trekking poles for setup, sets up quick with only one tent pole and two stakes, has a vestibule etc….. Lots of capability for the weight and price.

Brett
Early pick up (7 am) at the local post office and still off to work on time…
(always treated my work place as my own)
Franco

>David, the Moment would definitely shed high winds better, than the Supermid.

Hmm, I don't know, side on the Moment might struggle, esp without extra guy lines. And the wind can change, or it can come from all directions if you're in a nasty spot (canyon/valley). Whereas the 'mids don't mind so much where the wind comes from.

The Hilleberg Akto review here on BPL.com talks about how the highest wind resistance came from pitching the side into the wind. But realistically, a Mid is much, much taller and will have a much higher coefficient of drag. I think. Maybe.

That’s really interesting, looks like the reviewer(s) were suprised too.

Height isn’t everything though, I can get my Patrol right down to the ground so I have to crawl into it, and it’s still sensitive to side on winds due to the large unsupported side panels. Just like a tarp I imagine, although on a tarp they would be longer still.

Even with their height, pyramid shelters do seem to have good wind stability. Here’s a thread where Richard Nisley mentions he’s had his Duomid (smaller than the Supermid of course) in 70mph winds, which is higher than the 50mph the Akto was tested in in that review.

Back to the Moment, interestingly on the Tarptent summary table, it’s listed as just ‘3’ season, rather than the 3+ of some of the others, including the Double Rainbow. Suprising, because the Moment looks like it would handle the wind better than the DR.

Enough speculation, I’m sure we’ll start getting some actual feedback any moment now.

>>Enough speculation, I'm sure we'll start getting some actual feedback any moment now.<<

I sure hope so. Telling that you got the tent and aren't testing it or putting photos up is just plain evil!

There was an interesting debate at Outdoor Magic sometime ago discussing wind resistance with the single hoop design (Akto/Vela/Lasers) . The conclusion was that side/end/half way are all the best option, depending on who you listen to.
My take is that it would depend a lot on how you guy out the pole ( and yes somehow it makes sense that it should be done when windy or in exposed areas, just like opening an umbrella when it rains works best) and also how well the ends are pegged down. I have demonstrated that longitudinal tension (with the Contrail…) can and does make a huge difference in wind resistance, the same seems to me to apply to other shelters too.
Franco

I ordered mt TT Moment (and sold my Contrail) last week. People were intrigued by my Contrail. They should drool over the Moment. (Not literally, I hope)

Despite a delay due to TT's production mgr's. being off several days I should get it the week of Sept. 20th.

Then it's a day of seam sealing and then I'm off to Las Vegas' Spring Mtn's. for a high altitude shakedown. Will it float away at 10,000. ft.in a 40-50 mph wind? It really gets breezy in the meadows of Mt. Charleston.

Photos and comments will follow.

Eric

Got mine today and immediately set it up in the backyard. First impressions:

1. I've never had a tent that set up that easily.

2. Solid. Stormworthy. Stable. Worth the extra 4 oz compared to the Contrail.

3. Roomy, especially with headroom in the center.

4. Nice vestibule, with an outer "door" that zips up pretty tightly to the ground in bad-weather situations.

5. Lots of ventilation if you want it, but closes up pretty tight if you don't. Even the side mesh can be adjusted parallel to the ground and within an inch or less of the ground.

6. The curved, central pole adds a lot of stability.

Seems like a good, three season tent that can withstand a moderate amount of snow and blowing wind, especially if you use the hiking-pole support approach at the ends. I'm guessing its even stabler with the crossing pole.

Still, the proof of the pudding . . .

I was planning to stay home this weekend. I think I just changed my mind.

Stargazer

Thomas….buddy(!)….pics please!

"The Hilleberg Akto review here on BPL.com talks about how the highest wind resistance came from pitching the side into the wind."

Just speculating here, but we've found with the Double Rainbow that the wind resistance is best if you pitch it with the central pole fully exposed to the wind, ie with one of the vestibules into the wind in the case of the DR, which would be with one of the ends into the wind in the Moment), provided you use the optional trekking pole supports. Since the Atko doesn't have this option, the Atko comments may not be as relevant to the Moment except for pole-less trekkers. Using trekking poles REALLY makes a difference to the wind stability of the tarptents.

"Seems like a good, three season tent that can withstand a moderate amount of snow and blowing wind, especially if you use the hiking-pole support approach at the ends. I'm guessing its even stabler with the crossing pole."

and

"Since the Atko doesn't have this option, the Atko comments may not be as relevant to the Moment except for pole-less trekkers. Using trekking poles REALLY makes a difference to the wind stability of the tarptents."

These comments seem to imply some kind of trekking pole support for the Moment. I can't see any in the photos at tarptent's site. What exactly are people talking about here?

I haven't checked the pics, but it is likely there are tie-outs on the main arch pole… similarly to the Scarp designs.

"Seems like a good, three season tent that can withstand a moderate amount of snow and blowing wind, especially if you use the hiking-pole support approach at the ends."

I don't know if this means there are grommets or tie-outs to support trekking poles…? Even so, you should be able to jury rig it to use trekking poles. Then again you might be able to jury-rig the Atko too?

This is the picture discussed here. (the Extrapolating Moment)
Courtesy of Thomas Burns and HS.

Franco

Thanks Franco, that makes sense. Nice DIY alternative to the crossing pole (though not as strong obviously, it looks like a good compromise between the basic setup and the full-blown crossing pole setup). More tarptent flexibility – love it!

Like many others I am *really* hanging out to read some comprehensive reviews of this beastie. I live in Tasmania and I am hoping this could be the best choice for a solo tent for our conditions (wet, windy, occasional unpredictable large dumps of snow). So far, it's looking good, just have to wait for the field reports.

Cheers,
Stuart

P.S. Franco – keep up the posts on BWT – they are always appreciated :)

See also the drawings and photos on the instruction sheet, kindly provided by Henry Shire at

Clearly, Henry has this capability in mind from the start. There's a short velcroed strap that the poles can slip into. In fact, the tent is equipped with a large number of tieups, tiedowns, plastic hookups, etc.– nice feature. Even the two short mesh barriers to prevent your feet and head from touching the silnylon walls each have two relatively large pockets to put bedtime stuff in.

http://www.tarptent.com/TTmomentInstructions.pdf

Stargazer

Actually, I was referring to bracing the long centre pole, as in Pam Wyant's review of the Double Rainbow over at backpackgeartest.org

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Shelters/Tarps%20and%20Bivys/Tarptent%20Double%20Rainbow/Pam%20Wyant/Test%20Report%20by%20Pamela%20Wyant/

Theres gotta be several people on here with Moments now! How about some pictures!