Tarptent Scarp1 (4 season -freestanding)

> You can take you time now, honestly I don't mind.

Ha. He seems casually indifferent but I bet Franco has already hit the "create thread" button and has composed a template for the new tent announcement. So now he he is just clicking refresh every 20 seconds on Henry's site, waiting for the tent to appear. ;-)

Henry > Hmmm..well, I did put a "1" after the name. We'll see how it goes. There's another baby in the oven I have to kick out first.

Could the next tent possibly be a 1+ or 2 man, 2-3 season, all mesh upper (for stargazing), tent with doors on each side, with a fly we can put on top when it rains, all for less than 3 lbs? Seems like a lot of people would like such an animal from a supplier we could trust and who makes really great gear.

Hint…hint…

> Just give us a number on the new tent..1,2,3,4……

I'll give you a big hint: it's not 1. The bassinet is getting pretty full at that end.

Should have an announcement next month.

-H

Quad Rainbow?

I recall some mention of some family tents coming in the lineup.

That might have read as a somewhat selfish comment, but really why should I care about group tents or a full line up of Cuben Fiber versions?
Franco

NM

For Roger
http://www.tarptent.com/scarp1_2.html
Cutaway dimensions.

Thanks Franco. Looking at that, the vertical endwalls look to be pretty close to the inner tent. I think quite a lot of condensation would transfer via windspatter or me sliding downhill against it, and moisture would end up on the foot end of my bag. I think triangulated endwalls would minimise that as well as making a useful dry stash area for twigs or some dry hay/bracken to soak up condensation, maintain seperation, and insulate your head/feet a bit better.

It'd make the tent a bit more aerodynamic too. Maybe an idea for the Scarp2 or mkII?

Roger
Looking at the same diagram, my guess is that there is a 5cm gap between the fly and the inner at that point. Because of the supported box end (the two inverted V struts and the center strut, I don't think that the fly can come into contact with the inner unless you push it through.
The minimum height appears to be 15" which is enough (?) height for a tall fellow to be laying on a thick mat and still not have the bag touching the walls, however you would need to be 2.08m long (82') to require the use of both ends down to the wall ( that is allowing 4" for some space for the head and foot end of the sleeping bag.
(I take these occasion to again complain about unnecessarily tall people that cause tents to be longer than needed).
More aerodynamic ?
I have no expertise whatsoever about this, but as a user…
a "pointed/rounded" end would offer less wind resistance but of course increase the footprint length , the way around this would be a geodesic design but then you have a weight increase.
As it is, having had a look at the Akto, the Vela and the Laser ( and played with them…) and having used the Contrail with the center rear strut in place, the boxed end of the Scarp 1 looks very solid to me.
Franco

Heh, 'unnecessarily tall'. ;-)

I'm 2.04m (6'8") and my WM bag lofts a good 2 1/2". Not much wiggle room for my toes there. Ah well, back to MYOG.

NM

>> we need to find Roger a tent!

Easy, sell me your Akto. ;-)

I was just reading the Hilleberg site, and it uses corner struts too, but they are fibreglass. Probably possible to cut a few ounces off it by substituting some pieces of broken carbon fibre golf club shaft.

Actually, for a solo double skin tent, I still like my sierra designs lightyear a lot. It has a sensible asymetry which makes it long enough, while having the headroom just where you sit up from being prone.

I could not sit up in an Akto Rog, and I'm only 6'2. Get a Terra Nova Laser (I did) or the Scarp 1.

> Maybe Henry can chime in on this – we need to find Roger a tent!

It is true that the full 86" is usable. I don't see a reason why Roger wouldn't fit into 86" but I'm not familiar with the actual length of an extra long sleeping bag (which is, I guess, what he needs).

Hey, Roger, what if you just hack off a few inches? You don't need all that height and it will be much easier to find clothes, cars, and tents that fit you that way…

Henry
Looks like it is " tall people day" today , I just noticed the comments from John Haley about his Sublite Sil .( Is John a subscriber to the Tarptent of the month club ? )
This could be you golden opportunity to make TTs by TT official ( Tall Tents by Tarptent) , maybe even Tough TTs by TT for the Scarp 1+ (a foot)
Franco

Henry, it's good of you to expend time considering my shelter issues, but I think you are probaly a much better tent designer than a cosmetic surgery consultant.

I guess that now I'm the proud owner of an event jacket I could wrap that over the foot of my bag to keep the inevitable damp at bay.

Roger, how about learning yoga? You can get yourself really small, get very relaxed doing it so as better to sleep, and there wouldn't be any cutting away involved!

Yoga is a pain in the knees for me. I practice T'ai Chi though. Maybe I could just adopt the horse stance, and sleep standing up with my golite umbrella jammed down the back of my jacket to keep my spine straight.

Anyway, I just bought a gatewood cape off Rick Delong which is a generous 8'9" across. I reckon with the judicious addition of some mesh and 4 bits of broken carbon golfclub shaft I can keep my toes out of the rain. :-)

Roger, I hope the gatewood cape works for you. The only reason I haven't bought one is because they seem to be designed for you longish folks rather than us shortish folks. Maybe you can pick up a used Serenity NetTent to go with it. It is on sale at 20% off at SMD now though.

Well, as far as I can gather from the various reviews I've read, I'll be pushing the envelope (as usual). The cape seems to be ideal for people between 5'11" and 6'3". The serenity net tent doesn't really appeal to me, you lose the space at the back of the tent. I'll MYOG something together. Anyway, my shelter issues have taken up more than enough room on this thread about Henry's latest product line, so I'll declare tall hiker day over. Thanks to everyone for their input.

Though the Gatewood is long enough on one axis, it's designed with such a low-angle pitch that your head might be just inches from the fabric.

Just for fun I made a very quick ,so possibly not accurate, drawing and I seem to end up with about an inch extra of headroom (at the two ends) with the Scarp compared to the Gatewood Cape. In fact, in real life with some sagging the difference should be even greater.
Franco

Believe me guys, I'm a past master at turning the impossibly undersize into the barely adequate. I've been practising since I was sixteen. You are both right of course, but I have some tricks up my sleeve. I'll PM you when the MYOG thread is ready so you can see.

Bottom line is, Henry's tent, great though it is for you shortcakes, isn't adjustable for long striders like me. This isn't a criticism of his work, he'd get more complaints if you guys had to carry another 3oz of nylon on my account. It's just that I can work with a floorless tarptent easier to get what I want. And his tent and the preceeding Hilleberg tent have given me inspiration for stabilising the cape off the ground high enough to give me the clearance I need.

Firstly let me say that the Scarp1 looks very exciting – another great design from Henry!

Looking at the "winter" configuration with the extra poles got me thinking though – those extra poles are reeeeealy long. Would it be possible to make the tent more storm-worthy by doing something more like this?

(Those black lines are meant to be extra tunnel-style poles attached to invisible tie-out points…)

If this was possible, we'd have a 3-pole tunnel tent for under 1.5kg and that'd be pretty nice :)

Stuart
By doing that, yes you would end up with a tunnel design but not any stronger unless you have them under the fly and of course you would lose the freestanding option. Some like tunnels, others prefer freestanding.
Franco

Well, yes, extra poles will help of course.
But to make it really storm-worthy all those poles need to be in sleeves. The problem is that this would significantly alter the lines of the Scarp 1, such that you might have to always carry the extra poles. Well, you could tailor the sleeves – possible, but complex. It would increase the manufacturing cost significantly.

My blue 3-pole silnylon / CF tent weighs 1.26 kg with 3 poles, so the weight is certainly possible.

Cheers