Pockets design: Hipbelt, shoulder, pack

I have often thought of the idea of a hip belt pocket with a simple flap or lid to prevent water ingress (from above/side). I’ve never used or seen a roll top style hip belt pocket but feel it would be too heavy due to extra material/stiffener/etc.

Again for hip belt pockets, the waterproof/resistant zippers are less durable and not really waterproof anyways. Less waterproof even more as it ages and has been used. A simple solution seems to be to add a flap as in traditional zipper designs limiting water ingress. I suppose the trick would be to make sure the zipper with flap has little/zero chance of snagging.

There should not be any issue keeping rain out. Of course, total submersion would soak everything.

It’s been my experience that the weight of extra material, etc., needed for a roll top hip belt pocket off-sets weight of the zipper by quite a bit. Obviously, there are many other factors to consider, like fabric choice and hardware, that will effect the weight.

@Eric: I love your idea of having the lid pocket attached to the short side for some applications, for example the hip belt pockets. I only had thought of attaching it to the long side. I really like the idea of a lid that attaches with a buckle, as zippers are prone to breakage sooner or later. And packs are getting expensive…

I also agree with you that rolltops could be heavier and more complicated. Requiring two hands is another reason why I prefer a lid setup. But I have a pack with a sort of rolltop front pocket a la the Seek Outside Talon that works rather well.

@Amber: Of course, weight does creep up, particularly as you start adding pockets. I should have realized that as a downside of rolltops. Perhaps a lid with buckle like the one on the link I posted would be able to achieve a similar weight. Both constructions would also eliminate failing zippers and be more water resistant, so I personally would be willing to trade a bit of weight for durability and better water resistance.

I have often thought of the idea of a hip belt pocket with a simple flap or lid to prevent water ingress (from above/side).

Zpacks used to make hip belt pockets with a fold-over lid, as in this Gear Swap posting (view it quickly before GS gets purged). Perhaps they could be persuaded to bring them back.

That seems like a very simple design. It’s not clear to me if the open end has a drawcord or if it’s just elastic. You could use a lighter buckle or maybe even a mitten hook for closure.

It’s not clear to me if the open end has a drawcord or if it’s just elastic.

It was just elastic.

For simplicity and weight savings, a water resistant zipper pouch works fine unless it’s a downpour or prolonged rain, in which case you can line the pocket with a zip lock bag. And if you have a Packa, poncho or similar rain gear, they are worn over the pack to provide further protection of your pouches and backpack pockets as well.

I don’t always get the notifications on follow up replies. That Zpacks pocket looks great, William!

I just noticed that Superior Wilderness Designs has some new hipbelt pockets that are zipperless. I really like the way they look https://www.swdbackpacks.com/product-page/hip-belt-pocket

Cool zipperless design. Simple is always a good goal, and it looks to keep the rain out assuming the material stays waterproof. Not much weight savings (if any) with the addition of extra flap material and elastic top. It might take a little more care when dropping your pack depending on what is flopping around in the pocket. An energy bar is one thing, but I would opt for a more secure spot for keys, etc.

Have made a number of packs with drop panels supported by zippers, with a flap over the zips, and have never had a leak.  So maybe the problem is that the fabric is not waterproof, or the seams were not well sealed, or the zippers, which come down a little over half way to the pack bottom, are not adequately protected.

The zipper flaps are extensions of the the top and sides of the the pack.  The drop panel has a strip of WP fabric sewn at angles to the panel, and the zip is sewn to the strips;  so that the panel zip nests inside the side flaps.  In early models, also added some cord inside the side flaps that could be tightened with a cord lock; but it proved to be unnecessary to keep water out, so left that feature out.  I think it is the nesting of the panel strips and zipper well inside and under the flaps that does it.  Of course the seam that holds the side strips to the drop panel has to be well sealed.

As for degree of exposure to hard rains, I’ve hiked many long days in pouring rain, so don’t think that is an issue.  It is important that the bottom third of the pack be totally sealed, and two layers of fabric sewn into the pack bottom, again with well sealed seams.  So when the pack is set on the soggy ground, there is no leaking.  Since the packs now are side-arm packs, it is easy to open the arms a bit to keep the pack standing up after it is set down.

All this has led me to love the convenience of the panel loading packs, with no leaks.  And see no reason to add the weight of a roll top.  While much of the inside of the pack is open, there are zippered flat pockets on the inside of the drop panel, and a zippered rectangular squarish bag that attaches underneath the top of the pack and fits in horizontally.  The bag contains small stuff and can be easily detached and used in the shelter.  And it can be easily accessed by opening the drop panel a few inches to get at the stuff inside, be it a camera etc.  All of this is supported by a framed shelf on the top of the pack that uses bungee cord to hold the food bag on the shelf where I can get at it,  or leave it for a bear if there is no other means of escape.  Years ago, a poster named Buck chastised me for such thoughts; but even though he came from bear country, he might not have appreciated the exigencies of being caught about ten feet from a couple of marauding grizzlies.  Odor proof bags are sealed inside the heavier kevlar food bag, but that close, they can smell right through it.  Even with no food inside, they went for the bag and not for me, backing slowly away toward the protection of a ravine.

So that has worked for me, and satisfies the KISS principle.

That new SWD pocket is Huge! Easily hold a day’s food. That fold over flap looks like the ticket but want to try it with one hand.