May 6, 2018 at 11:49 pm #3534072Max NealeBPL Member
@maximumdragonflyLocale: Anchorage, AK
Companion forum thread to: Patagonia 19 Degree Sleeping Bag Review
Of the approximately 70 different sleeping bags I’ve used, the Patagonia 19 Degree Sleeping Bag is the most comfortable all-purpose mummy bag for use above freezing.May 7, 2018 at 1:11 am #3534083Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Thanks for the good review on a slightly unusual bag. I have seen a few others with vertical down tubes but mainly for the torso area only.
It’s rated to 30 F. but after a marginally comfortable26 F. night near Olancha peak on the PCT I sent it back to Western Mountaineering and had them overstuff it. Now you can’t shift down from top to bottom as originally featured in this bag but it is definitely at least a 20 F. bag. I’ve slept on 10 F. in my TT Moment DW solo tent with mid weight long johns on and was very comfortable.May 7, 2018 at 4:01 am #3534108Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
Not its intended purpose but the oversized foot box sounds great for those of us with larger than normal feet. Always find foot boxes too small.May 13, 2018 at 3:37 pm #3535218Eugene HollingsworthBPL Member
Great review, with a bonus of bringing up real-life usage comparisons and a question: These bags rated at 15-20 deg, even with thermal baselayers, seem to be ok at 15 deg higher than the rating. My recently purchased bag is rated 15 deg “survival,” 30 deg “acceptable,” and 40 deg “comfortable.” Seems right in line with your review comments.
Are most bag ratings here in the US more-or-less set at a, “you will survive, but freeze-freeze-your-butt-off” scale?May 14, 2018 at 6:14 pm #3535453Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
Understanding EN Temperature Ratings is actually a pretty good Blog post by someone at Thermarest that explains it. There are similar articles by REI and others if you care to Google.
And, I think different companies use different numbers. For example:
the Kelty Women’s Cosmic Down 20 bag has an EN Lower Limit Rating of 13 and an EN Comfort Rating of 25.
The REI Women’s Serrana 20 has an EN Lower Limit of 7, and an EN Comfort Rating of 20.
The REI Women’s Magma 17 has an EN Lower Limit of 3, and an EN Comfort Rating of 17
How about men’s bags?
The Men’s Kelty Cosmic Down 20 has an EN Lower Limit Rating of 19 and an EN Comfort Rating of 30
The REI Men’s Igneo 17 has an EN Lower Limit of 17, and an EN Comfort Rating of 28
The REI Men’s Radiant 19 has an EN Lower Limit of 19 and an EN Comfort Rating of 32
So: REI uses the EN Lower Limit rating to rate their men’s bags and the Comfort Rating to rate their women’s bags. Kelty seems to fudge the numbers. They are NOT using the Comfort rating for their women’s bags, but something lower than that, which may or may not be somewhat optimistic on their part.
As the article at Thermarest says, your mileage may vary, based on your body mass, ambient weather conditions (i.e. potential convectional losses), dampness of your base layer clothing, whether you’ve had anything to eat right before going to bed, etc.May 14, 2018 at 9:03 pm #3535481Eugene HollingsworthBPL Member
Thanks Jeff for the link – That all makes sense. Wish I had a center zip.
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