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How to sell my idea?

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Stefan Hoffman BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2016 at 3:48 pm

I like making alcohol stoves. The design has gone through countless prototypes, and i have a nice little design that i am quite proud of. Essentially i just want to sell them at cost because i have nothing better to do.
I am somewhat hesitant because, well, i have seen some similar scenarios go bad here and on other forums. I have not made the design a secret at all, and i am equally happy to share the process. But i want to make a finished product available for cheap to those who want to check it out and maybe give me feedback.
I don’t think of this as a big deal, but i can see how it could cause problems.
I already consume the beverages, all i have to do is buy some little hardware at Ace, tinker for a few minutes and ship a product out. Basically, free beer and doctor pepper for me, and cheap stoves for BPL people.
So i’m looking for advice about how to do this. It’s not my intention to step on any toes, but at the same time, its a unique design and i don’t want to get any flack for giving it away.

Any thoughts? Advice? Precautions?

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2016 at 4:25 pm

post picture?

video?

there are a lot of alcohol stoves out there so this might be a difficult market

PostedMar 14, 2016 at 4:43 pm

Let’s say you’re going to sell them, normally, for $5 (plus shipping). Put some on gear deals for $4.50 (plus shipping) and ask for feedback. That’s a 10 percent break for BPL members, so it qualifies as a gear deal.

As far as causing problems – no reason it should.

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2016 at 5:01 pm

Just do it. Sure there will be some haters and those that choose to make their own. But they will be the minority. A good product will sell itself.  I am interested in what you have come up with that will stand out in a crowded sea of stoves.

Stefan Hoffman BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2016 at 5:41 pm

Well i will give it a shot.
Oh, Pictures.
The idea was simple. I like pressure/jet alcohol stoves. I want the primer pan to be incorporated, and i want the fill be to be simple.
So thats the little version on the left, i call her “Cuppa” and the bigger version on the right i call him “Souper”. The smaller one is as simple as possible, weighs 1/4oz plus a 1/4oz pot stand and the stand fits PERFECTLY inside the bottom rim of a fosters can/pot, making a very secure stand. The bigger has a slightly adjustable flame, based on the center screw. And it weighs 1/2 oz for the stove and about 1/3oz for the pot stand.

SO ya, i can basically ship them at cost. Souper costs $4.50 to make and Cuppa costs….well, one dollar. And i can make Cuppa plus the somewhat variable burn (the hollow center bolt) thats another dollar and adds about 1/8oz weight. Each with potstand……which is just 1/4 galvy wire for now. I’m working on stainless.

Stefan Hoffman BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2016 at 10:01 pm

Performance…. thats where i don’t want to give out a bunch of numbers, but would rather give out stoves. Because i live at 7000′, which isnt terribly high, but it does make a huge difference. Water boils cooler, alcohol boils cooler. So here it primes insanely easily, and that might just be here. My numbers are awesome, but may be deceptive. Pretty much im saying anybody can test it out at cost and i would love to hear how it does.
I think it was something like 7 years ago when i built my first BLP-inspired alcohol stove. At the time i lived here at 7000′ altitude. And i got really cocky about how badly i trounced the numbers. Its like dozens of degrees different boiling temps. So i thought quite highly of my fist alcohol stove. At sea level it seems to get a similar temp but not a boil, those last few degrees are MUCH harder to get. Thats just my experience. I will try to get a measured amount of water at a certain temperature and a boil/temp time if you can give me specifics. I have nothing but time on my hands and HEET to burn.

Bob Moulder BPL Member
PostedMar 15, 2016 at 5:49 am

Hi, Stefan:

Having a bit of experience in this area, I would offer the opinion that there’s no reason to ‘play it close to the chest’ because there’s probably not going to be anything patentable or proprietary about your stove that doesn’t fall under the category ‘prior art’. In the highly unlikely event there is some truly (and legally) novel aspect to the design, it would be best to go straight to a patent attorney. In which case, the only person who will make money off your idea is your patent attorney because you will be selling a low-profit item to a very small market and spending all of the profits, and then some, on legal fees to defend your patent. In other words, don’t waste your time.

When I came up with my HX strip idea I was lucky enough to know someone who had his patent attorney (a good one, not some schmuck in a strip mall) review it — and a couple of examples of similar prior art — and he determined it was not novel. VERY few things are.

All that said, I’ve done a fair amount of stove testing and I live near sea level (~120 ft) and would be happy to test your system and do a graph of the data. PM me if interested.

 

 

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