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Any podiatrist, or other foot specialist here wanna chime in on barefoot shoes?

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PostedNov 7, 2019 at 6:36 pm

Rusty,
While I would think that someone among all the doctors you saw would have ruled out gout with a simple blood test for uric acid level, think I should have mentioned that anyway, what with the location of the pain in the ball of the foot, and its appearance in different joints at different times. If you have not had the uric acid level checked, do it when the pain is present in the joints, like the ball of the foot, and not just in the muscles that may be affected by joint dysfunction. The medications for gout – allopurinol, Uloric (febuxostat), are reasonably safe and work very well, along with limited alcohol intake.

Also, I dissent a bit from the diverse footwear approach, if that means experimenting with heavy use of close to zero drops and barefoot gear. Despite the popularity of those, I think that sticking with the type of footwear worn in early life with no problems makes sense, as was alluded to in an earlier post on this thread. Also agree with the post about trying Superfeet inserts. I use a custom orthotic footbed in a very flexible Salomon Authentic mid for road walking (it’s about the dogs), but for rocky and uneven terrain, which presents little in the way of a flat surface, a heavier Salomon mid, Comet 3D, with a Superfeet Green footbed works better because the feet get wrenched around much less. The custom orthotic has very little if any pronation correction, but the orthotics in my street shoes do, and seem to work well. Not sure why these brands and combinations work well – it was just a matter of experimenting with what worked for what type of use. So I expect that such choices involve different strokes for different folks.

Rusty Beaver BPL Member
PostedNov 12, 2019 at 5:36 pm

Thanks for the additional replies, everyone.

Roger – Your point about the differences between “professionals” is what I feel and have seen. As well, you can have two people with the same degree from the same school and the outcome of how they treat you can be vastly different. Some people are simply naturals while others just have the credentials.

That said, and to respond generally to the other replies… finding the “right” person I have found, requires tons of money, patience, and luck. Currently, I have none of that. Everyone claims “they” are the one. $1300 later and you find out they are not “the one”. Kinda reminds me of the supplement industry. No doubt some good stuff out there but….

Don’t recall if I posted before, and I haven’t the time to read through this thread now, but the pain isn’t as simple as being in the ball of my foot any more. And it’s not as simple as the Morton’s Neuroma. A pair of orthodics a buddy made me has helped with that. The pain is non-descript, unpredictable, with the added flavor of numbness and tingling.

Seems clear now that it is nerve related. Neuropathy, sciatica, or a virus that attacked the nerve sheaths have all been suggested as possibilities. I could resume throwing money into the rabbit hole or go with what I know for certain. And that is that I have lost a lot of core strength and have some back issues. So….I am working on strengthening my core and back. That has to be done anyway. That will undoubtedly help my back… and maybe, my feet too. I hope!

Matthew S BPL Member
PostedNov 15, 2019 at 6:21 am

I’m a student in a Doctor of Physical Therapy program and asked our foot guru professor his thoughts and it was simple; <paraphrasing> if the foot has adapted to imposed demands, then it is ready to handle the forces. However, I didn’t clarify how age effects this. I might have to go ask him again.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedNov 15, 2019 at 6:32 am

@Matthew
The corollary to that is that suddenly trying to change how your feet travel, with pronation-control, arch-support or gel-soles, (all Nike marketing ideas) is not going to go well. Suddenly switching from ‘conventional’ shoes to ‘zero-drop’ shoes is equally going to cause problems. Adding weird orthotics – same comment.

The effect of age is often to reduce the range of ‘things’ to which your feet can adapt.

Cheers

Rusty Beaver BPL Member
PostedNov 17, 2019 at 4:48 pm

“I’m a student in a Doctor of Physical Therapy program and asked our foot guru professor his thoughts and it was simple; <paraphrasing> if the foot has adapted to imposed demands, then it is ready to handle the forces. However, I didn’t clarify how age effects this. I might have to go ask him again.”

Thanks for your post. Can you expound on it a bit, please?

MW BPL Member
PostedNov 21, 2019 at 9:11 am

Rusty,

My favourite shoe isn’t produced any more. Size and fit on the new models has changed. It’s only online ordering.  I’m going through a time consuming and expansive process of trying to find something that works for me: ordering online, arrive, size is wrong, fit not right, return. I tried to transition back to non barefoot without success; pain under the ball.  Roger has it right. I wish it wasn’t so hard. Big wide feet. Different sizes and shape. Second and third toe longer than the big toe. I’m still looking.

A sample of one. I had foot numbness and tingling in the past six months. Besides the footwear changes, about the time I had long hours sitting for computer work and neglecting stretching. I started the medical path to resolve why, blood tests, xrays, etc, (that I haven’t finished yet). Returned to stretching resolved it. Happened twice, I’m hoping to avoid a third incidence. Of course, events preceding and results after stretching may be entirely unrelated. It may just co-incidence that it cleared up when it did.  So, YMMV,  but if it helps.  Calves, glutes, quads, hamstrings, hips.

Googled and found this guy just now – he covers a lot of what I do:
https://yurielkaim.com/glute-stretches-tight-hips

And Antranik has https://antranik.org/antraniks-splits-routine/ that covers most of the others. (I’m a long way from the splits).  Antranik has a lot of good flexibility/mobility and strength resources.

I hope you have success soon.

Rusty Beaver BPL Member
PostedSep 29, 2020 at 8:09 am

Thanks, MW. Sorry for the late response. I haven’t been on this forum that much.

At any rate, for those following this thread, here’s an update: It wasn’t too long ago that I was believing I may never be able to backpack again. Well, to my delight, I went a couple wks ago. It was only an 18 mile loop spread over 3 days. It did however have several tough miles of cross country up a valley and over a rugged 11,800′ peak.

I went with the idea I may have to turn around after a few miles due to pain. Other than the very occasional 1 mile here and 2 mile there walk, I did nothing to prep in the months prior. I had zero issues though. Surprised me since I still can not walk barefoot on even carpeted floors for long. And I’m still showering on a padded mat. I knew I could be on my feet most of the day though, working.

I attribute my success to my shoes…Altra Olympus 3.5. Every other shoe I own did not cut if for me in the cushion department. These things are hideous looking in my eye (version 4 is many times better looking IMHO) but I don’t know what I’d do without them. I have practically lived in these things. Would like to be able to wear a thinner shoe someday. For now though, having gone through what I did, I am one happy camper! And while $170 price tag for the new Olympus 4.o seems crazy, I will not bat an eye at paying it. I will never take for granted again how special it is to have feet that will carry me through the mountains!

 

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedSep 29, 2020 at 3:17 pm

These things are hideous looking in my eye
They look OK to me. Wide at the front (I take a 4E), and a good sole.
Anyhow, who cares what they LOOK like: it’s how they FEEL that matters.
Keep walking!

Cheers

Rusty Beaver BPL Member
PostedJun 27, 2021 at 9:40 am

For those following this thread, I am happy to say my feet have improved to the point I am now going barefoot in the house fairly regularly …on the carpet. And, I’m wearing my flip flops and Altra Lone Pines more and more outside…though the extra cushion of the Olympuses feels better for longer periods. And I recently came off a multi-day kayaking trip where I walked barefoot around camp, in the sand and grass. Can’t tell ya how good this feels after having my feet encased inside shoes for so long!!

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJun 28, 2021 at 4:03 am

Rusty

Great to hear that you’re back on the trail! It must be a huge relief…

If you’re looking for max protection, you might want to check out Inov-8’s new Trailfly Ultra. It uses an innovative midsole material developed in partnership with the National Graphene Centre at Manchester University, where graphene was discovered. They are claiming it offers unique advantages. And it has the graphene sole, which I know from experience gives an impressive combination of grip and longevity.

Too much shoe for me personally, but it’s been creating quite a stir, despite the price. Given your issues, the best possible protection might be worth the investment.

https://www.inov-8.com/trailfly-ultra-g-300-max-mens-ultra-running-shoes

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