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PostedAug 29, 2014 at 5:06 pm

Golden Pinnacle

Six months ago, I woke up every morning and waited to reserve an exit permit for Mt. Whitney, for a solid week the 25 permits per day would disappear between 7:00 and 7:02, before I could even click on an opening, it was gone. Finally after 6 days, I got a permit to Exit Mt. Whitney starting at the New Army Pass.

My wife last year heard all the fun the guys had of hiking Mt. Whitney and she really wanted to get in on it. She’s never backpacked before this year, we got all her gear took a weekend trip up to San Gorgonio in July, spent a week in Mammoth hiking and training by carrying our kids in the backpacks.

Finally the day came, we had scrutinized our gear, over and over again, what to bring, what not to bring, last minute add-ons how much food for 5 possibly 6 days. We rationed out our food, broke everything up in organized baggies for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 85% of it fit into one bear canister, but we had to get another one the day before the trip because it wasn’t possible to fit 6 days of food + toiletries into one canister.

Careful planning of our food:
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We had arranged a shuttle to drop us off from Mt. Whitney Portal to Horseshoe meadows, really nice guy I found from an internet search that lead me to a guy who knew a guy… Long story short, he was a great guy and his Mother In Law who is native of Lone Pine worked with my grandmother who was also a Lone Pine Local years ago! Small world.

Setting off:
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The weather the past few days in the Sierras had been wet to say the least. More than one local in Lone Pine told us to stay down the hill, but we were determined to see it for ourselves. I’m glad we did.

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As we started the clouds were showing signs of ominous activity coming our way but we were prepared. As soon as it started to rain, we broke out our rain gear, and as soon as we got it on, the sun came out and baked us, so we’d stop and take it off. As soon as it was off, it would start to rain again…

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Finally the weather stayed consistent and the skies opened up. Rain, Lightning, and THUNDER. It is such an experience to literally be in the thunder like that. We made it to our first campsite option, and decided that due to the 1 hour of sleep we all had the night before we would go no further (even though our goal was about a mile or so further.)

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Even though this is probably the most popular place to camp on this trail, due to the weather, everyone was gone, we saw 3 other groups camping here but all were well away from us making it feel very intimate. We had met earlier a nice lady who was backpacking alone hoping to summit Mt. Langley the next day. She had come all the way from Norway. After setting up camp, she met up with us and asked if she could camp with us, she had gone up above the tree line in the lightning storm and literally had the fear of God put in her. That first night was wet, but we took shelter under the trees and sat around our camp stoves and talked well into the night.

The next day, we were slated to head over New Army Pass above 12,000 feet. The sky still looked ominous, and murky. Langley was blanketed with white from hail/snow.

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Honna, our Norwegian friend offered to drive us to our car and recommended that we did not try the pass in the weather. The clouds were grey, but not thundery so we opted to go to the pass and assess the weather, if it looked as if conditions wouldn’t improve, we agreed we would turn around.

As we reached New Army, the sky started to briefly clear adding a pep to our step

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By the time we arrived at the last lake before the trail to the pass, the sky was completely clear and the sun was in full force. We knew this was our opportunity so we set out and over. My wife’s first adventure into real “backcountry”

LOVED the Geology of New Army Pass!

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At the top of the Pass we caught our first glimpse of our final destination some 5 days later and 40 miles away. Mt. Whitney.

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As we cooked our Mac and Cheese we were graced with the presence of a few big horn sheep passing by as well.

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Not to mention the 1000’s of marmots we would see in the next 4 days.

Heading down into the drainage the scenery exploded, and our human interactions plummeted. We were completely alone for more than 24 hours not a single person to be seen, that’s getting away!

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We had no definite plan on where to camp, but lower lake to the creek was all fair game. We figured to make up some ground so that tomorrows long hike would be shorter. Upon coming to the Creek our pace grinded to a halt as we just HAD TO FISH.

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Even got my wife to throw a fly:

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She wouldn’t touch the fish though.

We moved down the creek until the sun was low in the sky. We got the brilliant idea to cross the stream to camp in a clearing away from the crowd (mind you we never saw another person…) I, being a good husband laid a log across two rocks and let my wife go first… yeah bad idea, she fell in, and in the extreme drought conditions zero fire’s made it for a cold night for her.

Thankfully the sun the next day had that convection power and by late morning most everything was dry except her hiking boots.

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My brother and I got up EARLY as the sun rose to fish the stream we camped next to while my wife enjoyed my down sleeping bag for a few more hours. We ran into a few buck dear. One of them was at least a 4×4 if not a 5×5.

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Making it to a backcountry ranger station my brother was ecstatic to find this:

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A dream come true! Too bad I had already done my business, that would have been nice!

The snow levels in this area must be amazing in the winter, there was a survey marker in the trees.

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A zoomed in shot of that same marker about 20ft up.

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Notice the shovel hanging in the tree?

At the crossing the stream was calling us, we took our packs off and worked a small pool for about 30 min.

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After a grueling hike up to the next pass, we were wiped out but still had a few more miles of descending to do before our next camp. After a few hours, we came into view again for the first time in 2 days of our destination.

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We made our way to the lower of two major meadows. We were supposed to stay closer to the upper meadow but upon looking at the creek and the meadows residents we decided this was the perfect place to set up camp.

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We set up in the tree line, and enjoyed the alpenglow view from our camp chairs (WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD BY THE WAY) After dinner we took our sleeping pads out to the flats and laid out to watch the stars, SO MANY of them.

The trees kept us safe from the condensation and cold that night, we awoke to fish the meadow and our canisters had taken the brunt of the August night.

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As the sun began to rise, we set up our fishing gear, washed our socks, ate our oatmeal and went fishing.

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By late morning we had caught quite a few, and decided it was time to make our short trip for the day to our next site. Along the way, we fished, and fished.

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Our 3.4 mile walk took us almost 7 hours from all the fishing stops.

We reached the upper meadow where were supposed to camp and were so glad we decided to stay lower, it was where the JMT and the PCT converge and all the backcountry Whitney Hikers like us camped it was a zoo. I had read of a toilet in the vicinity and after loosing out on the opportunity the previous day we went on a search. I had high expectations for this one…

When we stumbled upon it, it was less appealing than the one at the backcountry ranger station the day before.

(My shorts are pulled up, picture for effect)
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After setting up guard so that we could use the toilet in “privacy” we pressed on. Only having covered 1 mile in a few hours…

We fished more.

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As we reached the last lake with fish in it, we stopped to give it a try. The only time on the entire trip (save the last lake of the last day on the way out) where we had ZERO luck. We saw some huge fish in that lake, but we were tired, fatigued and hungry so we just couldn’t pull it together to fish proper.

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Having become accustomed to having no humans around us, we pressed on past the last lake where everyone else stops so that we could find a bit of solitude, a few hundred feet above that lake we camped in the rocks next to some tarns.

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Just in time for sunset. The alpenglow and sunset was amazing!

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That night my wife had a hard time, she saw at 3:00 am all the hikers with their headlamps going up the side of the hill and began to over think the hike. She could not get back to sleep and spent the rest of the night and morning worrying about the heights we were about to face.

I have to give it to her, she was a trooper, she cried almost the whole way up, but as we kept telling her we didn’t have go over, or up to the summit, she just said, “NO, we’re doing this” and she pressed through her fear of heights one foot in front of the other.

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And she made it! She is a trooper!

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We headed down and out with the plans that we would try to get to the car that night.

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By the time we reached the Trailside Meadow we were spent, this is arguably the worst section of trail, straight rock, every step is a potential ankle breaker and we were tired. We decided we’d stay at Outpost camp hoping for our ‘secret campsite’ to be open.

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Away from the rest of the group tucked in the hill we set up camp. And played cards into the night. We had decided it was safer to get up early and eat that BIG PANCAKE breakfast at the portal than try to push out and go home and fall asleep on the road.

We weighed our packs, now empty of water and with (4lbs of food left over – YIKES over packed) My base weight still came in at 33lbs. Subtract the 2lbs of food I was carrying and the 2 lbs. bear canister and my scrutinizing really paid off!

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The famous Pancake breakfast!

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We didn’t finish it, but waited 15 minutes and then ordered a hamburger also! After 6 days of freeze dried food, it was SOOO good.

It was crazy to think that just a few hours prior we stood on top of this after hiking 42 miles to it.

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It was really a great trip.

At the end of it all my wife tells me, “I loved the whole part, except Mt. Whitney. DON’T EVER TAKE ME ON THAT MOUNTAIN AGAIN.” She’s already planning next years trip… that doesn’t involve any 2,000ft cliffs.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedAug 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm

"My base weight still came in at 33lbs."

This must have been some kind of typographical error. I don't think that it is humanly possible to have a base weight of 33 pounds.

–B.G.–

Ralph Burgess BPL Member
PostedAug 29, 2014 at 5:56 pm

"I don't think that it is humanly possible to have a base weight of 33 pounds."

Here's how, obviously

PostedAug 29, 2014 at 9:10 pm

I by no means am a UL hiker… by no means.
But I am working to lighten my load, while enjoying the comforts.

The Norwegian hiker asked us, "Why don't you just sit on your bear canister instead of bringing that chair" My repy was, "There are somethings to me worth carrying, a comfy chair after a long hike was worth the 15oz.

My baseweight as I've always defined it was everything minus consumables (food/water/fuel)

Its actually well below 33 lbs, so that was a typo… as I had mentioned I had 4lbs of EXTRA FOOD!

ALL TRAIL MIX, I realized after day 1, I HATE TRAILMIX. We couldn't give it away on the trail

Subtract the 4lbs of trail mix, the full fuel canister I still carried, and the Bear Canister, and its much closer to 25lbs. Which coming from last year at almost 40, is HUGE.

All in all, I can still reduce my weight, my bug spray was bigger than needed (it was one of those wipe on kind), My medical kit was bloated, and I brought a roll of KT tape which was a total waste. Other than that, I used everything I brought.

Im also super proud of my fly rig, all of my gear, reel and line included weighed 12 OZ.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedAug 29, 2014 at 9:23 pm

"Subtract the 4lbs of trail mix, the full fuel canister I still carried"

Fuel counts toward your consumables, although sometimes the empty weight counts toward base weight and the net fuel weight counts toward consumables. It still counts somewhere whether you used it or not.

–B.G.–

PostedAug 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm

Of all the words and things in tha report to chime in on…

I'll say It for me, "hey man cool trip, way to get your wife outdoors. That's super cool she made it."

That's more important to me on squabbling over weight.

We Love the outdoors, we love backpacking. 'Nuff said.

PostedAug 29, 2014 at 10:06 pm

Yep. Comfy chair, great leisurely fishing, good company, and Mount Whitney! Thanks for the trip report, I really enjoyed it.

todd BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 2:50 am

Luke, what a great trip – you and your wife will reflect on this for the rest of your lives!!

Did a similar style trip (four years ago this week, actually) involving lots of fishing and we had the best time.

Oh, and what a bonus that she wants to go AGAIN! You're right about her being a trooper.

Thank you for the great pics & writeup.

Todd

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 5:06 am

Nice trip. Would be better with less weight.

Plenty here care. Which is one reason we are here. Don't be so defensive, you can still learn something. 33 pounds, ouch.

Eugene Smith BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 5:42 am

Luke, I thoroughly enjoyed your write up and photographs, thanks for putting in the time on this report! You're a patient and loving husband getting your wife up to the summit and back doing whatever was required to put her at ease. No easy task. Good man.

"We Love the outdoors, we love backpacking. 'Nuff said."

Agreed. Some here are regular pulpiteers and it can be a tough audience to appease. The individual process of "trimming the fat" takes time, if you're open minded, which it's clear you are (*postscript), recognizing areas in your kit where you can make incremental changes, then you'll be well on your way to a lighter pack.

Ian BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 6:04 am

Nice trip report Luke and good on your wife for pushing through her fears. Beautiful fish too.

PostedAug 30, 2014 at 9:22 am

"Plenty here care. Which is one reason we are here. Don't be so defensive, you can still learn something. 33 pounds, ouch."

I'm not defensive, just shocked that some only care about the weight at the end. I mean this is BACKPACKINGlight right? First common denominator is backpacking isn't it?

I have learned a lot, met some nice folks on this site already and as previously mentioned with help gone from 40 lbs without food to below 30.

I did Whitney 3 days last year and my pack was 5 lbs heavier than this last trip (with my extra food). This year 6 days and I carried 85% of the food, and still came in less. I say that's progression.

I met a guy who was on the JMT who slept on the ground, used a wool blanket as his bag and sweater, ate cold food, and only carried I think 15lbs. That does not interest me at all!!! To each his own right? I'm glad I'm shaving lbs off, my bag is the next big thing to get cut.

Thanks for the comments, I am in cloud 9 that she loved backpacking. She just wants less summits more meadows/lakes/trees. I think I can manage that!

Ian BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 9:45 am

The only determining factor that'll indicate whether or not you're doing it right or wrong is if you enjoyed yourself. The answer is clearly yes so vaya con dios!

jimmy b BPL Member
PostedAug 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm

Best part was hearing about your wife overcoming her fears and carefully pushing on to her goal. Good for her and for you taking good care so she had a trip to always remember. My wife is ready for another BP outing, how lucky can a guy be, right!

Hike on, jimmyb

Andy Duncan BPL Member
PostedAug 31, 2014 at 10:19 am

Thanks for your Horseshoe Mdws – Whitney trip report. It was fun reliving my own past trips along the same trail(s) through your photos and narrative. Along with the landscape pxts I always appreciate detailed gear photos. I can relate to the excitement about getting your wife out on her first real journey into the backcountry. I remember posting a similar trip report after taking my wife on her first real trip in Yosemite years ago (we brought camp chairs). Having a shared appreciation for backpacking in the Sierra has been a HUGE part of our marriage. She also now understands why I like to take long trips solo. Win win.

From what I've read it looks like you dropped 10 lbs off your base weight from last summer. Going from just "under 40 lbs" to 29 lbs this summer is great (33 lbs – 4 lbs of food = a 29 lb base weight. I include my bear canister as part of my base weight since it's not a consumable. This doesn't account for the fuel canister, so YMMV). A 25% decrease in base weight would make even the most serious UL gram gods happy.

That being said the part that I can't relate to is the description of the person who carries 15 lbs as someone who eats cold food, sleeps on the ground and uses a wool blanket as a sweater. To me this feels like contempt prior to investigation. I hear a similar assumption made by some of my friends who choose a more traditional backpacking weight (base weight of 20+ lbs).

In my experience it was possible to stay warm, dry, comfortable and well fed with a UL base weight while thru-hiking the JMT. I carried an inflateable sleeping pad, insulation pad, down jacket, rain gear, 20 degree down quilt, shelter, stove, first aid kit, extra socks and t-shirt etc while sleeping through four nights of unseasonable rain storms, all while carrying a 8.25 base weight. I left MTR with a final seven day resupply @ 18 lbs.

Like you I worked through several seasons to lower my base weight.

Since this is a backpacking website that is focused on lightweight backpacking your trip report seems relevant here. . . but if I included a large detailed photo of a scale showing a pack weight of 33 lbs at the END of my trip I would expect some good natured heckling from the people at backpackinglight!

PostedSep 1, 2014 at 11:30 pm

Thanks for the replies!

Andy thanks for the encouragement. The (now very regretted) picture of the backpack was more excitement because if the weight loss from the previous years. And the realization of the extra food.

In hindsight I would not have put it up, but feel like removing it would take away from the conversation. If anything I hope it's an encouragement to guys like me who often read this forum but do not participate that there are 'normal' guys out there.

As to, "That being said the part that I can't relate to is the description of the person who carries 15 lbs as someone who eats cold food, sleeps on the ground and uses a wool blanket as a sweater. To me this feels like contempt prior to investigation. I hear a similar assumption made by some of my friends who choose a more traditional backpacking weight (base weight of 20+ lbs)."

It's not contempt at all. It wasn't a generalization of a type, it was an actual hiker. What I am saying is that won't be me. Not out of contempt, but I believe that backpacking is a game of compromise, give and take as in comfort vs. weight.

Technology has afforded us some great weight saving items like tents and bags and such. Things like the chair are worth it to me, sleeping on the ground is not something I can or will willingly do.

Please don't misunderstand me, I am not defensive but still taken aback by the focus on weight vs experience of the trip but like I said to each their own. Simply put like the guy and some of the posters here look a my pack weight and say, "no way" there are things I see to the hiker I met that I say, "no way". I like a hot meal, I like a sleeping pad, a little more than a wool blanket.

Like Ian said, going out and having fun is the true sign of success. Whether it's sleeping cowboy or in a canvas tent. Frameless or external frame pack.

PostedSep 2, 2014 at 10:49 am

Luke,
Awesome report man! I enjoyed your report alot, especially the sweet creek fishing you did. I was thinking about doing Cottonwood lakes with my family soon

It's a bummer how people responded to your trip report. You're totally right to be surprised and annoyed with folks. I'll bet when you posted this you had no idea that you would have to defend yourself. Welcome to BPL. I know this forum is focused on lightweight gear and techniques….But man, anybody would know that's a rude way to respond to somebody when they are just trying to share a cool story and hoping somebody out there will enjoy it also. I sometimes share my BPL trip reports with friends on FB, and I would hesitate to do that if this was the kind of responses I got.

Some folks on here can be a real bummer. And then if you let them know that youre annoyed, they just brush you off as defensive or overly sensitive. Just ignore them bud, some of us think you had a pretty cool hike.

PostedSep 2, 2014 at 11:51 am

"Fuel counts toward your consumables, although sometimes the empty weight counts toward base weight and the net fuel weight counts toward consumables. It still counts somewhere whether you used it or not."

Yes, clearly you didn't have the items properly placed in the correct columns on your planning spreadsheet, and as a result of this oversight, you didn't actually have a good time in the outdoors (though perhaps you thought you did).

Oh wait… I think you did. Keep on getting out, carrying whatever you want, and having a great time. And keep on sharing your trip reports!

PostedSep 2, 2014 at 11:53 am

Very nice trip. Always fun to cover ground and fish along the way.
Though I prefer a lighter pack, weight isn't a big deal. We are in shape, aren't we?

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedSep 11, 2014 at 5:42 pm

Great trip!!

Don't worry about the weight comments. You can start paring it down trip, by trip. Better to hike often with a heavy pack than to hike infrequently with a light pack. Hope your wife continues to go with you. Nice pictures too.

brian H BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2014 at 12:00 pm

Nice report bro!

Take the advice here that resonates, ignore the rest, and hike your own hike.
Since the motto at the top of the page captures the overall philosophy, "Pack less, be more"…you should expect the advice/feedback to that end; if you're here, the assumption is you embrace the idea of lightening up.

and don't expect this forum 2b so elevated that we have somehow weeded out the callous & insensitive. they are a fact of life ;)

re food weight…did u guys eat any of those trout?! Yum!

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