Aug 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm #1320362
David DietrichBPL Member
@hindsLocale: Central Mississippi
I read Skurka's ultimate hiker's guide, and he recommends bringing a small, folding knife. I have seen it recommended elsewhere also, but I am having difficulty convincing myself it's needed. Does anybody use knives on hikes regularly? If so, what for?Aug 27, 2014 at 6:51 pm #2130968
I use a knife about the same amount as a real compass (i use micro compass at trail intersections frequently) or FAK. Very seldom. That doesn't mean it would be a good idea to leave it behind. I usually just have a 0.25 oz dermasafe, but sometimes an exacto blade.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:08 pm #2130971
Todd TBPL Member
@texasbbLocale: Pacific Northwest
Nope, it's essential. Rarely needed but indispensable when needed. Doesn't need to be big; it's mainly for cutting string, cord, hangnails, occasionally wood slivers (tender). My big one weighs 1.2 oz.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:13 pm #2130972
@anarkhosLocale: Colorado, Wyoming
Years ago, I always took a big bushcraft knife because, well, I always took one. Everyone did. You couldn't possibly survive in the woods, even just a long day hike, without a Rambo knife.
Now, I take a SAK Classic, mostly for the scissors, and rarely if ever use it. My last 3 hikes I haven't needed to use it for anything, and that includes food prep.
So no, I vote that you don't need a knife. A small cutting tool, like a pair of mini scissors or a razor blade, yes. But a legit woods knife, absolutely not.
With that said, if the object of my trip is bushcraft oriented, I take a 5 inch Mora, a Laplander folding saw, and/or my Gransfors Bruks Mini Hatchet.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm #2130973
Katharina LångstrumpBPL Member
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
The answer clearly depends on the person. To me it is an essential item when outdoors, but I would not suffer from anxiety either if I left it at home.
My favorite is my Esee Izula, at two ounces. I use it one every backpacking trip in non survival situations. I loan it out a lot to others who think it's not essential..
I can think of many instances that would call for a good knife when inn the trail.
As with everything else to each their own.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:41 pm #2130978
Katherine .BPL Member
It's far more civilized to cut my salami and cheese with a small knife than to chomp down on the whole thing with my incisors.
and I yes, I do think could be of importance in an emergency situation.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:43 pm #2130980
"is a knife a non-essential item?"
Only if you don't need it when you're out there.
BillyAug 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm #2130981
Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
I use my knife for:
fire prep in wet conditions
gutting fish (or animals if hunting)
slicing up food
carving tarp stakes
cutting plants for edible gathering or samples for taxonomy
throwing at rotten logs for entertainment
In an emergency situation if you are separated from your pack or don't have overnight gear, a sturdy fixed blade can be batoned to cut branches or saplings for building an emergency shelter and ground insulation. Also helps with fire prep in an emergency.
I wouldn't call it essential for backpacking but if you know what you are doing with it, it can be useful. It's more useful if you come at backpacking from a bushcraft/minimalist camping frame of mind.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm #2130982
I normally have some kind of benchmade on my person in the front country but for reasons unknown only carry a sak classic when backpacking. I really need to reexamine my reasoning for not bringing a proper knife.
I've had my eye on the Izula for quite some time.
Essential? Probably not but I like having a quality knife on me.Aug 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm #2130984
jimmy bBPL Member
Individual items to carry make for good conversation but like everything in my bag of tricks for an outing a knife is a personal decision based on past experiences, forethought and learning from others. In the end though its me that has to carry it or deal with being without it and that again goes for each and every piece of my kit.
I do carry a knife.
Well my old man was a Navy man and all those old time sailors carried some sort of blade. He could butcher a deer with a tiny folding pocket knife. Think pocket knife of 50,s. Nothing high tec. I have seen him thru a lifetime take that little knife out and save himself and others he came along so much trouble. One of the keys to knives is carry a sharp one, otherwise its pretty well useless. I have a very light foldable with a partial serrated blade. I do use it but I also would not panic if it was left behind on a shorter trip.
Like most things there is an argument for both sides. It doesn't keep me hydrated, warm or dry so its importance is below all the items on the list that do.
On the other hand when sailing I have a medium sized fully serrated pointless straight blade in a Velcro rip away sheath lashed to the front of my PDF that I hope will NEVER get used. But it is there in the event of a knockdown or capsize to cut my self or another free from lines and rigging.
Funny, two different knives. One I don't mind using to justify its weight the other I hope never to use at all.
jimmybAug 27, 2014 at 7:56 pm #2130985
It's a philosophy we all live by in the UL circle. What more do you need for normal backpacking than a SAK Classic? If you are cutting large ropes or possibly doing stove maintenance get a slightly larger multitool like the Leatherman Juice S2. Or if you feel like whittling or bushcraft a cheap (and light) Frosts Mora Classic fits the bill.
A folding knife, even a lightweight one like the Benchmade Griptillian, has only one or two uses. I don't see a reason to buy an $80 knife if it'll only cut rope or some basic firestick feathering. Rather have the multitool or have a knife dedicated and durable enough for harder use.
That being said I do own a Geiptillian, the original Cold Steel SRK in CarbonV, and an order in for the Skookum Bush Tool. But 99% of the time will be the SAK.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:08 pm #2130989
Dondo .BPL Member
@dondoLocale: Colorado Rockies
I keep a tiny Gerber Zip Blade (0.6oz) in my pocket to slice open the little foil Micropur packets. Also, to occasionally cut cord. That's about it.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:09 pm #2130990
@richardcullipLocale: San Diego County
“Here’s an insight from all my years in the mountains: With just a little bit of planning, I don’t have much use for a knife and rarely use one.” – Mike Clelland
Like Mike, I carry a single-edge razor blade (and haven't had to use even that in a couple of years). While backpacking at, or above tree line, in the High Sierra I don't carry, or come across, anything that needs cutting. If I ever do, my little razor blade should do the trick.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm #2130991
Perhaps Aron Ralston would like to chime in on this?
(of 127 hours fame?)
BillyAug 27, 2014 at 8:15 pm #2130993
Paul McLaughlinBPL Member
I could do without a knife but I often use the scissors on my SAK classic – mostly to cut tape or moleskin. I have used the knife blade occasionally to cut pieces of cord, but I could do that with the scissors just fine. So I can't think of a time in the past 10 years or so when I had to use the knife blade.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:16 pm #2130994
Max DiltheyBPL Member
"I normally have some kind of benchmade on my person in the front country but for reasons unknown only carry a sak classic when backpacking. I really need to reexamine my reasoning for not bringing a proper knife."
Benchmade?! Well excuse me, your highness, I didn't realize this was the Luxury Camping forum!
If I had a nice knife, I'd want to carry it. I never judge someone's knife choice, because it's one of those tools where ergonomics, comfort, and utility go miles further than an ounce saved. A good knife can eliminate so many potential problems, especially in a medical emergency, that I can't imagine judging a knife choice.
That being said… the Daniel Boone knife in a leather sheath, leave it at home.
I myself carry a Ken Onion Chive, it's only an inch or so but it's nice and sharp. Anything smaller, and I wouldn't be comfortable applying any force.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:19 pm #2130995
"That being said… the Daniel Boone knife in a leather sheath, leave it at home."
I sometimes carry a Danny B sticker in big cat country. A slim, but at least some chance to live.
BillyAug 27, 2014 at 8:24 pm #2130998
If a person doesn't think it's essential, then for them, it's not. It's only useful if they have the skills and knowledge of how to use it. It's one of those magical ten essentials which people think will bail them out of trouble, yet it's no more useful to them than a lucky rabbit's foot. Everyone reads the ten essential lists, but not many think about them.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm #2130999
"Benchmade?! Well excuse me, your highness, I didn't realize this was the Luxury Camping forum!"
Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh!Aug 27, 2014 at 8:32 pm #2131000
Katharina LångstrumpBPL Member
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
"It's one of those magical ten essentials which people think will bail them out of trouble, yet it's no more useful to them than a lucky rabbit's foot. "
I think that's a stretch.
I most likely won't need it to survive. I definitively use it all the time. I could go without. I could regret not having it with me.
If carrying a knife, or Tp, or whatever slows you down and people have to wait for you…then it might be time to start leaving even those at home. If you are in good shape and can handle those few ounces that make your trip more comfortable/ clean/ safe, then the fact that others consider them non essential does not matter.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:42 pm #2131003
"I think that's a stretch."
People really do take a knife just because it's on an essentials list. Just because you and most of the people on this forum are reasonable doesn't mean most people are equally as reasonable.Aug 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm #2131011
jimmy bBPL Member
"yet it's no more useful to them than a lucky rabbit's foot"
I've cut many a rabbits foot off with a good sharp knife and I can tell you first hand the knife, although not magical, was positively more useful than the left over rabbits feet :)
jimmybAug 27, 2014 at 9:00 pm #2131013
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
I have the smallest Gerber/Bear Grylls lock-blade made. It weighs 0.9 oz. and will do all the cutting and peanut butter spreading I need. One stainless blade, one pivot pin, one locking spring and one plastic handle. That's it.
It's so small I had to add a 8" braided Triptease tent cord lanyard so I could even find it if i dropped it at night. With the lanyard it stays in my pocket better.Aug 27, 2014 at 9:01 pm #2131014
David ThomasBPL Member
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
>"I never judge someone's knife choice"
I do – when I'm hiking on a paved path in Yosemite, where the greatest risk is being attacked by a hungry ground squirrel, and someone has a 6- to 8-inch blade sheath knife. Then I judge them.
On an overnight or longer, I carry a SAK Classic (21 grams). Blade, scissors, nail file, tweezers. I don't think you're wrong to carry a razor blade or nothing or all. Or to carry a 3-4" fixed blade although I'd say that's a personal or luxury item rather than UL gear.
On a boat or dog sled I carry a Little Vicky (3.25" plain or serrated or 4" plain) in a sheath in case I have to cut lines quickly.
If we're on salt water, then I've got a 9-inch fillet knife in the tackle box. I only need to fillet from the edge to midline on a halibut so with that I can cleanly dress a 80-pound fish. Always a Dexter-Russell just like the big boys working on the slime line use.
My biggest knife safety tip: Use scissors and not a knife whenever you can. I'm kind of fanatically on that point on the job site as I have found it reduces trips to the ER to get stitched up.Aug 27, 2014 at 9:19 pm #2131024
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