gg the one tent on ebay

Starting bid $215 :o

Wow.

There are designs now that have surpassed it. There is a reason it is no longer made.

The reason it is no longer made is not the design, it is that the Spinnaker Fabric source dried-up. I don't see a side-entry single wall tent anywhere that can beat 18ozs in the sack for the same price.

Spinnaker was terrible, THIS beats it in weight total packed weight to 16.2 ounces, I owned The One and sold it years ago.(DS your initial post didn’t state same price that was added later after I posted that the soloplex beat it ,The One price is 6 years old and terrible fabric no one uses anymore,ooohhh tricky on your part )

What was Spinnaker so terrible about, except noise? And yes, the Soloplex does beat it for weight, but at a much higher price ($535).

I still challenge anyone to show me a comparible tent to The ONE, for weight and price.

Personally I liked Spinnaker and still have a The One and used a GG Squall Classic for years in the Olympic National Park and never had a problem with it not performing flawlessly…..as for the noise after the fabric softens a bit with use, especially when taut, it is a non-issue.
As for the design being outdated I'm not so sure I agree with that…..the "New" ZPacks looks remarkably similar in design and setup of the now defunct The One.
Fabric: Yes, cuben is lighter and has a greater hydrostatic head, but spinnaker also does not stretch when wet and is not as prone to abrasions.
Spinnaker for its weight to cost ration is still pretty hard to beat.

Nobody uses spinnaker anymore,too many problems it tore easily and leaked often,you may have been really lucky but the 2 spinnaker shelters I had were terrible and I am not the only one . The One had to be seam sealed adding weight and the material I never trusted,I am not abusive to my gear and my Spinnshelter tore easily at the tie out , I have never had any of these problems with cuben and will happily pay more for it , I find it superior in every way.I payed over $300 for my The One shelter and that was 6 years ago , I wonder what they would charge for a The One in cuben today probably at least as much as Zpacks for the Soloplex.

"The reason it is no longer made is not the design, it is that the Spinnaker Fabric source dried-up."

Why wasn't it made out of Sil? Cuben?

Because it is a design that has not held up over time.

Spinnaker has one of the worst hydrostatic heads for a shelter fabric. I don't think anyone was lementing the loss of spinnaker in the marketplace. I can provide you with a comparable shelter for the weight and cost – how about NO shelter given the fabric leaked. LOL.

Is it better to carry an 18 oz shelter that has both terrible wind performance and leaks in the rain (but be able to tell anonymous people on the internet that you have a really light shelter), or is it better to add a few ounces with something that performs much better in inclement conditions? I guess only you can answer that question.

+1 Dave

Is spinnaker really that bad?

I was going to try to pick up a spinntwinn on gear swap after hearing so many good things about them but now I'm not so sure…

J Mag –

Everything I have read about spinnaker fabric from MLD and GG is that it became super hard to source quality spinnaker fabric so they stopped using it. There are numerous favorable reviews of "The One" here on BPL. See:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews.html?forum_thread_id=13653 (4.75 out of 5 by 4 reviewers), and

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/gossamer_gear_the_one_shelter_review.html#.UzNtZ9zobu0.

A number of spinnaker shelters have also received high reviews from users and BPL editors, including the SpinnTwinn. A number of spinnaker packs have also received high reviews. All of these reviews point to obvious limitations of spinnaker fabric, but none of them conclude these products don't do the job.

There is no design issue with "The One." The new Zpacks Soloplex is a dead ringer for the "The One." I don't see people trashing that design. I also don't see reviews by "The One" owners or BPL staff and users trashing the design. Quite the opposite. I picked up a "One" this off season and have only set it up in the yard. The design is excellent. I live in the PNW, so it will get a work out in the rain. If there are any issue with the design or the spinnaker fabric I won't hesitate to report them.

As for this thread, Link obviously had an issue with hers. It is not clear if she took the issues up with GG or what that resolution was. It is not clear if Dave has owned "The One" in the past or used it before, it just appears that he dislikes the design and spinnaker fabric. What is clear, is that they are in a small minority of critics of the "The One."

So Roger deleted the link to ebay, which was NOT a sale being offered by the poster.

How is this any different than someone reporting a sale at campsaver?

And for that matter, why are posters who advertise their sales chastised for not having sales specific to BPL…yet those REI coupons and the Sierra trading post sales have nothing to do with this site….

Just wondering.

I have my "The one" still.

Its a far superior weather-proof shelter to many out there.

Spinnaker has no issues, it simply is not available anymore. It doesnt make any noise that I ever noticed using it. It pitches taught, doesnt sag when wet.

It packs smaller than my hexamid as well. Better design. Zpacks makes the hex and solplex so they can be made simple and cheap, sewing the mesh to the edge of the tarp. Enter the reason teh solplex has the cords to hold up the floor so the water doesnt run into the bathtub. Poor design with a bandaid, intentional so it can be made cheaply.

The mesh and bathtub should be attached about 6" in from the edge of the tarp with the seams taped, but it would cost much more.

Jennifer,
BPL moderators moderate but there was at least no guide lines for them at the time I pm'd Ryan Jordan quite sometime ago…..as far as I can tell nothing has changed.
For many, if they do not put they are affiliated with a product it is immediately brought up…..others of the tent industry and such, promote the benefits of their products without an eyebrow being raised by the moderators.

Hey JMag – do an exhaustive search and you will see that the spinnaker waterproof issues and tear failures are well known and affected many, whether they be by the poorly designed One tent or tarps. The biggest failures were at any point at which tie outs had to be sewn into the fabric. I believe that MLD stopped using spinnaker even before the 'apparent' shortage of the fabric because of some of the drawbacks. You would be better off getting a used cuben tarp – Gear Swap.

The experiences that Anna and I had personally are unfortunately, not the minority.

Jennifer. This forum is not moderated with a hard and fast set of rules. Moderation here is feeling based. But since it is done on a volunteer basis I guess we get what we pay for.

Here is a quote from Roger Caffin

No yachty wants a wet sail – just too heavy. So modern spinnaker fabric is often treated with silicone to stop it absorbing water. The water just rolls off it. Fine.

But that does not mean the fabric is waterproof. A yachty doesn't care if water goes straight through the fabric (as long as air does not). So a fabric may be wonderfully water-shedding for a sail, and leak like a sieve in a tent.

Understand the difference.

Cheers

Lawson Kline

As Roger said the only reason sailors use a silicon coating on sails is to make them lighter and more slippery. Those same silicon coated fabrics seem to be alot more water resistant than there urethane coated cousins.. Spinnaker coated with silicon is also alot quieter but a bear to work with. I personally would never waste my money on spinnaker. Its super expensive and easily tears. Silnylon or Cuben is the only way to go…

David Stenberg

I have read several accounts that the GG Spinnshelter has had problems with the pole loop tie-outs ripping away from the fabric and some of the seems weakening. Is the stiching design changed on the SpinnTwinn or is it the same as the Spinnshelter? Are their more reinforcements? If it is different, how so. Any problems with the seems ripping on the SpinnTwinn Tarps? Anyone know if the Spinnshelter has had the issues of seems ripping addressed?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Ryan Jordan

This is the nature of the fabric as much as anything. I don't have experience with the Spinnshelter, but I've seen an '06-made Spinntwinn do this, along with an MLD tarp, and even our spinnaker Stealth LITE tarps. No matter how you make the reinforcements, you are stitching, somewhere, into a single layer of ultralight Spinnaker cloth and the very nature of the holes in that cloth and lack of fiber density is going to cause a weak point. This becomes obvious over time and extended use in the field.

Thanks For opnening the can of worms. Lol

I have no idea what to think now. So who's bidding on this? This also popped up on the PCT facebook page, a few people are probably eyeing it.

Hi Jen

Yeah, I deleted the eBay link, at least partly to make a point. We still get some spam. If someone really wants to find it on eBay they can search just as easily: I left enough info for that.

> why are posters who advertise their sales chastised for not having sales specific to
> BPL yet those REI coupons and the Sierra trading post sales have nothing to do with
> this site….
Several questions there.
Gear Deals requires a DEAL. If you don't offer one, I may (will) niggle at you, especially if someone reports it to me.
REI coupons and ST sales – they are posted in several places as a useful bit of info by people who are NOT selling anything themselves.
Do REI coupons and ST sales really offer nothing to BPL members? Doubtful imho.

No sweat
Cheers

I will add to Annapurna's comments:

A lot of spinnaker fabric uses a blended coating, with some polycarbonate included. This makes it a lot stiffer, which is good for spinnakers. However, in addition to making the fabric weaker it has other defects:

* Spinnaker is very noisy in the wind, AND

* After a while the stiff coating cracks and the fabric leaks like a sieve at the cracks. Cuban Fiber also does this in the thinner sizes. Richard N did a lot of testing on this.

It seemed like a good idea at the time …
but …

Cheers

Alas, I'm feeling less love for my Spinn Twinn, which until now I've quite liked. I've not been in a downpour in it, but it's a great size and cover for the weight. Although of late I've used a hammock and sil tarp a bunch. Does all spinn eventually leak!

Nah, don't be. Use it until it leaks and then post it for sale on Ebay.

; )

Love my modified SpinnTwinn. Gave it a light silicone spray coating when I bought it, and it has taken everything Mother nature has dished out.