COCOON PREPURCHASE?

Daniel,

It's fairly generous in sizing. I normally wear a Patagonia medium and the body of the small fits well enough, but I really do prefer longer arms and volume, it helps me sleep warmer, so the M is what I go with. I also like wearing it over all my layers in camp and to bed, and am not a fan of constrictive clothing, so personal preference may play a part.

Well, so much for the money I was saving for the heart transplant. But, at least I'll go ultralight.

Ryan, you mention using the Pro 90 as an overbag for the 180 (If I understood you correctly) for 10-25 degrees. Would the pro 90 also fit over the Bozeman Mountain Works Arc X down bag, or would it squash the loft out of the footbox of the down bag?

You'll squash footbox loft with any fixed footbox layering system, for sure. But there is room here, you're not going to have a problem layering cocoons over cocoons; more an issue of cocoons over down bags with big footboxes.

Man,do I feel like a fool. I was in such a rush to order that I put three other items in my cart. Then after I ordered I read the warning not to order anything but Cocoon products. I hope my order doesn't get cancelled!

I am interested in the 180 quilt. I am a little over 5' 10" but not 5' 11" Do I need to size up or is the 5' 10" mark on the regular an estimate with a small margin of error. If I get the size large and the quilt is too long, is that a major disadvantage, or will it still be managable.

Which quilt size to get?

David – the distance between the foot seam and the neck seam is 70 inches – or 5'10".

Now, that means it's going to be shorter when the quilt is cinched around your neck, when you are side sleeping, or if you are going to use the quilt as an overbag.

It's hard to say. Some 5'10ers do fine, others want the freedom of not having their toes bang into the end of the quilt.

At 5'10, a size L won't be excessive for you. The footboxes on these quilts are nice and deep, not teeny little pockets.

Thank you for your quick reply. I will measure, but it sounds like the large may be what I need.

Thanks for all your help!

Can't wait for the BMW Bivies to go up for sale.

I'd like to see a pre-purchase option for members on these items. -Peter

Hi Peter,

Try Cocoon Pre-Purchase posted earlier in this thread.

Ryan, you had mentioned that the Pro90 or UL180 can be used as overquilts. I was interested in using the Pro 90 over a WM Highlite. Would this work or would the down footbox loft of the WM be compressed too much under the overquilt? Thanks for your help!

How long will the prepurchase be available?

Thanks

It's interesting that there's so little apparent weight penalty for a UL sweater + UL balaclava vs a UL hoodie.

Which is why I ultimately opted for the balaclava instead of purchasing the hooded version of the Cocoon pullover I already own. Plus I can use it w/ the other non-hooded insulated sweaters/jackets/vests that are also in my gear closet. I love modularity.

How durable is the outer fabric on this garment as far as bushwacking and how abrasion resistant would it be

Paul

Paul – pertex quantum is surprisingly durable for its weight, but frequent full-on bushwacking is pushing it unless you're quite careful. I pretty much always toss on a hardshell over my pullover, so this has not been an issue. But I mainly use these items as intended, for static insulation in camp or at rest. The UL garments are too short on breathability and venting for vigorous active use, unless its downright frigid. That said, many unexpected cold snaps (say, teens F and wind) have forced me to wear my pullover under an event shell, hiking all day at a slow steady pace, and I've had few durability or comfort issues.

EDIT – I'm also not a heavy sweater, YMMV

Wanted to place my order and see that the product, in preorder, in size small and medium is already out of stock…

Arghhh!

Will I have to wait one more year to be able to buy one?!?

I pre-ordered the Cocoon 60 Pants while the getting was good. I put this acquisition off long enough.

What is the true weight of the insulation in the 180 quilt?

Royal Magnell

Any updates on how long the pre-purchase will last?

Thanks

Ryan

François, I think you looked at the wrong page for pre-purchasing the Cocoons… Look here: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/2007_cocoon_prepurchase.html

Edit: Maybe I was wrong? i just checked again and they seem to be out. So I'll echo François' question: are the Cocoons still available? I've been waiting for my finances to clear for this month so that I could purchase several of the items… but it may be that anyone from this point on will have wait a year again? Please confirm this…

If the Cocoon UL 60 Pants are no longer available, can anyone please suggest an alternative that would do just as well?

Thanks.

Miguel, strangewise the other day, availability of the cocoon pants in M was set again as available…

Could not resist any longer to place my order…
I just hope I will not be one of these back orders 2008…

Miguel, should you not be able to get the Cocoon 60 pants (or the Pro 60), the prime alternatives are the Patagonia Micropuff Pant (about 14 oz.) and the Montbell Thermawrap Pant ( about 11 Oz.). Each of these are not much cheaper than the Cocoon 60. They are both quite nice from a qualitative standpoint and have side zips for easier pulling on/off over boots. The Micropuff is probably the warmest of the lot. They are not stripped down to the bare essentials of the Cocoon 60. If zippers are important, the Cocoon Pro 60 is worth checking out but is priciest alternative of them all.

Don’t forget the Integral Designs PLQ pants, at ~10 oz and $140:
http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_detail.cfm?id=831&CFID=8947830&CFTOKEN=84567166&mainproducttypeid=1

Thanks François, Kevin, and Dylan for your heads up and suggestions!