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PostedJul 20, 2012 at 1:27 pm

UPDATE 2013-02-01:
Do NOT buy this fuel, it does not work as a alcohol stove fuel, it leaves a really bad residue of soot on your pot. It contains up to 10% isopropyl alcohol by volume, I believe they use that create the yellow flame tips. If the flame is allowed to burn all the way, without contacting anything, it actually burns fine, but that is of course useless for a stove.

If you have some left, give it to friends who have outdoor fireplaces, it makes a fine fuel to start them or to just make a bigger flame or whatever, but this stuff has no place in your stove, unless you want to get totally black fingers and face and stuff sacks and cozies, a greasy soot that is very hard to wash off at home, and probably almost impossible in the wilds.

Chalk this one up to experience, ignore this as an option, nothing I have ever seen is worse than this as a stove fuel. I didn't get around to testing it til this week, so I'm updating this thread in case someone got caught with the fuel and can't figure out why their pots got so black, it's not you or your stove, it's the fuel.
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mentioned alcohol fuel from e-nrg.com

Have to order minimum 12 quarts for 73 dollars, anyone interested in splitting an order, I think 4 or 5 quarts would do me fine.

Appealing to not use that nasty denatured stuff and to have to waste the metal cans. Still wasting the plastic, of course, but it's less weight.

If 1 or more of you in the Bay Area want to go in on one box of this I'll order a 12 pack of quarts, and we can split it, you pick up from me.

Cheaper than klean strip green.

PostedJul 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm

sounds good, let's see if a few more people want some, if 6 or more are taken, I'll order the 12 pack, don't need 6 quarts, but that's fine, stock up.

Oh, I forgot, I live in Oakland, by Lake Merritt, give or take.

PostedJul 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Ok, one more person ordering 2 or more and I'll put the order in. To make it easier, let's say 2 quart minimum, 6 dollars cash per bottle (I'll eat the small difference), payable on receiving it from me.

Brian Johns BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm

I'll do $7 per if it saves you a bit. Also, might take 3, but not sure where to store all those chems. my wife will think I'm heading to the hills for good this time .

PostedJul 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Ok, if you'll take 3, I'll place the order, and if anyone else wants a couple, I'll sell those too.

Looks like they will store nicely, round plastic bottles, should fit somewhere or other, under sink, whatever, garage, etc.

PostedJul 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm

Those actually came out to…. $6.66 a bottle with tax, heh. But I'm fine with what I said, or 13 for 2, or 7 each, whatever you want.

So those will probably arrive in about 1 week I'd guess, give or take, I count at least 6 so far, but we'll see.

I've flagged the thread so I'll get updates if anyone posts more.

Ethan A. BPL Member
PostedJul 21, 2012 at 12:33 am

Thanks very much for organizing this group buy. I'll gladly take 2 or 3 as I'm sure a friend will want one. Will PM you tomorrow.

PostedJul 21, 2012 at 10:52 am

Let's see, minimum I'll want is 3, leaving 9.

So we can work that out when they arrive, but looks like that 12 batch is spoken for now with the current people here, looks good.

PostedJul 21, 2012 at 7:59 pm

Hey Harold, I know you already have enough people, but if anyone backs out, I would like a bottle or two. I live in the same area as you.

PostedJul 21, 2012 at 8:05 pm

well, maybe we can all try it, and if we like it, we can order another batch.

Some people said one or two, so I guess people can pick what they wanted based on the order of priority of the responses, and of course, of picking it up.

it sounds like nice fuel though, and I like that it doesn't come in metal containers like hardware store stuff.

Brian Johns BPL Member
PostedJul 22, 2012 at 5:42 pm

Put me down for whatever makes it happen. If a late-comer wants to try I will gladly take less too. Looking forward to trying this out.

PostedJul 23, 2012 at 11:58 am

well, there's enough for everyone to get 2, or most 2, and one 1 and one 3, so that seems to fit with what people asked for.

PostedJul 25, 2012 at 2:30 pm

Let's see:

me: 3
bcutler: 2
EJ: 3
dk: 2
choyoyo: 2

Makes 12.

If anyone wants less or more, let me know, but I'll go with this unless corrected.

The people who said one or two, or 2 or 3, will have to work out that between each other, but I'll go with this list unless it's updated before I start to distribute them.

Ethan A. BPL Member
PostedJul 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Harald, thanks again for organizing this – very glad to find an alcohol fuel that burns hot and clean. I'm down for 3, and fine taking 3, but if anyone wants to try this out, I'm fine sharing and giving one of my 3 to them, leaving me with 2. Just let me know.

And if anyone wants to organize another SF Bay Area group buy in the future, let me know. Perhaps right before the next GGG.

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedJul 25, 2012 at 3:50 pm

"And if anyone wants to organize another SF Bay Area group buy in the future, let me know. Perhaps right before the next GGG."

Great minds think alike EJ! I want to try this stuff out too.

PostedJul 25, 2012 at 4:09 pm

we can always do it again.

Prices drop a bit with a 24 pack, I wasn't sure about the interest, and didn't make the title clear that this was an alcohol group buy, so there might be more interest.

With tax (shipping is free), it's 6.66 a bottle for 12 pack, that's the actual true cost (I'm trying to avoid the satanic ramifications of that, heh), and a bit less for 24 pack, just for future information for california based people.

I know I went through a ton of fuel testing my stoves, well, ok, not a ton, but many quarts, so this stuff goes faster than you think it will.

By the way, one reason I jumped on this one as soon as I read about it here, was that I really have not liked any of the fuels I've bought, the observation that kleanstrip green burns with a yellowish flame is correct, it does, and that's the one I use that seems least vile, so I'm anxious to try one that should burn pretty cleanly and be mostly ethanol. Something designed to burn inside the house just seems more likely to be better thought out re toxins and all that. Plus the plastic bottles are nice for storage etc.

Brian Johns BPL Member
PostedJul 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Got to appreciate the interest in the purportedly cleaner fuel. Honestly, I think I gave $9 at REI for "Crown Brand" and it's just as bad (not good?) as the paint thinnner variety from Ace. You're so right about using fuel testing. Hard to keep a leash on when the little stoves have such a cool blue glow and there are so many ways to test and compare their efficiency. Let me know the next step. Thanks (again). Brian

PostedJul 27, 2012 at 12:22 pm

If fedex info is accurate, should arrive around tuesday, ie, about 10+ days from when I ordered it, so keep that in mind if you order more.

Ethan A. BPL Member
PostedAug 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm

I needed to pick some up fairly quickly and was surprised to find a supplier only 5 minutes from me, so if anyone in the East Bay or SF would like to try my 3 bottles, you are welcome to them. Harald if someone doesn't step forward I'll still cover them as I'm sure friends will want to try it.

Tyson Marshall BPL Member
PostedAug 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm

If you have extra, I'm in for a few. What am I in for? Oh, it doesn't matter… everyone else is doing it!

Edit: Oh, and I'm in Newbury Park, CA.

PostedAug 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Contact EJ and see what he wants, he would be having the extra bottles, so they are his to give rights to, or not.

Also note, you have to come pick them up from me, so if you are here, you are, if not, not.

By the way, the bottles are very nice, solid, and look good for longer term storage.

It included the msds, and it notes this is stable over long term strorage. Tall rather than squat, so good for taking not too much room up in closet or whatever. Do not store hot, ie, probably not good in the garage if it gets hot.

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