Feb 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm #1286149
Im looking for a light weight solar charger for kindle and camera and probably GPS at some stage in the future. Ive looked through old threads, but theres not many new threads as of late and the way technology changes I thought its time for a new thread :)
So, whats the latest and lightest solar charger?Feb 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm #1844311
@johnjLocale: Orange County, CA
I haven't tried this, but these "how to" instructions describe a self-built solar power charger for usb-powered gadgets.Feb 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm #1844342
I prefer to purchase a complete unit if possible…I remember playing around with electronic circuitry as a kid and building a few things, however not as of late.
I would probably blow something up today!Feb 24, 2012 at 3:56 pm #1844345
Richard, before you go shopping too far for a solar charger, you want to get a good grasp on how much charger output you need.
If you say, "I need +5 volts, 1 amp, for one hour per day" that means something.
If you say, "I want to charge my Kindle and my camera" then that means nothing at all.
–B.G.–Feb 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm #1844347
Sorry for not being tech savie…but how do I work out that?Feb 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm #1844352
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Look up the specs for your devices. How much capacity in miliamps. How much do you use per day (not perfect way to do it) percentage-wise. Do they last 1, 2, 3 days, etc.? Now you can figure out how much you need to but back in. Ohm's Law is the basic formula for calculating electrical stuff… a little research and study on the Web or other places will be beneficial.Feb 24, 2012 at 4:17 pm #1844358
Additionally, you need to take the solar charger specifications with a grain of salt. Often they quote some good numbers, but you won't get that kind of maximum performance unless you are sitting in Nick's backyard in perfect sunny weather. I've engineered some larger systems, and I always throw in a +50% factor to account for less-than-maximum solar output.
–B.G.–Feb 24, 2012 at 4:32 pm #1844369
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Excellent point by Bob. You need to look at your latitude, time of year and weather. All big factors.
For example my tent trailer's solar system can recharge my batteries in a couple hours after a lot of night use… under ideal conditions. But I have a large battery bank (250 amp hours) and a 250 watt solar array. That way if it rains for a week I do not have to be concerned about power (no sun), I have plenty of battery reserve and when the sun comes out can recharge it fairly quickly.
Now if you have a nominal system, when backpacking, that can only replenish what you use under optimum conditions and no method for reserve capacity, you are going to end up with some dead batteries.
I have a GoalZero panel and battery pack but have not really played with it much (it was a gift). If I were to bring electric devices backpacking I would probably be better off with spare batteries and on a long trip like the PCT would recharge at stops in town. Unfortunately the most popular phone, the iPhone, has an internal non-field replaceable battery… a big negative for that device.Feb 24, 2012 at 4:48 pm #1844378
Yes, Nick. You can get into all sorts of things like sun angle.
If a backpacker intends to do solar charging on the trail, then he needs to factor in whether he is north-bound or south-bound, because the sun tends to be in our southern sky.
I agree that most often, the best solar charging solution for a backpacker is none at all. Replacement batteries are often lighter in weight. Or, if you can't replace them, a "battery brick" can be used to charge up smaller devices.
I was on a 25-day trek one time, and I kept my cameras going with a whole pocketful of lithium primary batteries.
–B.G.–Feb 24, 2012 at 5:09 pm #1844387
Colin KrusorBPL Member
@ckrusorLocale: Northwest US
You said that you want an off-the-shelf charger, I realize, but it might be prudent to see if you can have someone make one for you. Small photovoltaic cells are now available with better than 20% efficiency, but you will never find any stock USB solar charger incorporating PVs with efficiency greater than about 8-12%. Some remote-control airplane enthusiasts with electrical engineering expertise have posted on online RC forums about extremely lightweight and efficient solar chargers for RC airplanes. These would be far lighter per unit power output than any stock solar charger that I know of.Feb 25, 2012 at 8:02 am #1844628
@aviddkLocale: SW Oregon
Wired reviews four portable solar chargers in an article dated January 31, 2012 here.Dec 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm #1936184
On the face of it, the Freeloader Pico looks good. And only 49 grams.
Has anyone had experience with these?Dec 17, 2012 at 10:07 pm #1936219
Kevin BurtonBPL Member
That Pico thing looks cool but 50g? No way that's the weight *including* the battery.
I suspect they're playing games. Seems too good to be true.
Though they DO say 14 hours to charge an ipod… which wouldn't really work in winter.Dec 17, 2012 at 11:02 pm #1936226
@mattgugelLocale: Kanangra-Boyd NP
I spend alot of time out in the bush, and take my Galaxy Tab 7 and phone and as I normally go solo I get bored at night and want to watch movies to pass the time. A few years ago I looked into solar and what I ended up getting was a rollable solar panel ( 28watts) and then a universal battery pack ( rated at 75 watt hours ). I can recharge the tablet about 4 times and if I just use the iphone for movies I can recharge around 6 times. Usually I can just take the battery and it will last a week. But….. What you should realize is that to fully recharge even AA batteries and a smartphone or a tablet, you need full sunshine and many hours.My recommendation would be to go on Alibaba and look at the foldable panels that are available from China. They will sell samples real cheap, I would look at something at least around 30 watts. Then the battery pack you can get from Alibaba as well. Look for a universal pack of at least 40 watt hours.
The big trade off is power vs weight. Unfortunately here in Australia there are very few options available and of the ones that are, they are all overpriced. Another good site to look at would be powerenz from the US and also Modern Outpost from Canada.
Hope this helps,
MattDec 18, 2012 at 5:42 am #1936253
Ken T.BPL Member
Leave it to BPL members to come up with something.Dec 18, 2012 at 10:09 am #1936321
I've given up on solar chargers. They just seem finicky at best and I found myself fussing with them way too much to try to get them working right.
Instead, I carry 1-2 Anker 5600mAh external batteries which weigh 4 ounces each and are rather small. They cost around $30. Each one gives me about 3 complete iPhone 5 charges. On a 3 day trip, I'll take one. On a 7 day trip, I'll take 2. They've given me the reliable power that I need.Dec 18, 2012 at 10:46 am #1936342
Max DiltheyBPL Member
We brought a solar charger with us while bike touring. Every time we went under a tree, the solar charge would kick out and kick back in. My phone turned off and on each time it sensed it was being charged, and used more power than we gained.
Never again.Dec 18, 2012 at 11:06 am #1936350
That's the problem with solar chargers that feed directly to the device. I had the same problem. It was like I was plugging in and unplugging my device constantly and having the screen turn on.
Ideally, the best setup would be a solar charger like the Joos Orange which has a 5400 mAh internal battery. The solar panels charge the battery and you feed from the battery which creates a more consistent charge. That's a great solar charger, but at 24 ounces, it is not really an option for most of us that are weight conscious.Dec 18, 2012 at 11:17 am #1936356
For those who have not been paying attention, the solution to this is called a charge controller. Some solar systems have the charge controller features built in. Many don't, because that means extra cost and extra weight, but not by much.
In 1997, I was visiting a solar installation owned by a Sherpa at 14,000' elevation in Nepal. Even he recognized the need for a charge controller, so he leaned on me to get him one. Upon my return to the States, I got him one and had it hand-carried to him.
–B.G.–Dec 18, 2012 at 7:48 pm #1936502
Colton AkersBPL Member
I recently purchased the Powerfilm folding charger from gofastandlight.com. I haven't used it, so I cant give you any feedback. But it does charge two AA batteries or you can charge direct. At 6.6oz thats much lighter than most out there.Dec 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm #1936523
I have the joos orange as well and love it's ability to charge and take a charge and all that. It's just a huge PITA to pay 150$ for something that ends up being one of the heavies things in your pack. Oh well, I've learned my lesson and will be getting an extra capacity battery case for my phone that will boost my battery life.
Now all I've gotta do is get rid of the JOOS.
NitroDec 18, 2012 at 11:34 pm #1936549
@mattgugelLocale: Kanangra-Boyd NP
You're absolutely right Bob!
A charge controller is an often overlooked piece of the puzzle that may do not realize is a SUPER important part of the equation.
I guess for those who are not in the know, the following is "really" the essentials to charge devices in the field.
1. Solar panel ( either foldable or rollable)
2. Charge controller ( to regulate the power from the panel as it fluctuates)
3. Powerbank ( storage for the power produced from the solar panel )
If you do your homework and take the time to learn about solar, you will realize that still now there are now real lightweight options. Sure you can get some little 5 watt panel with a 5V USB outut, but…. will take atleast 8-10hrs to charge a few AA batteries, in full sunshine. OK if you are staying put everyday, but for on the move, you really need a panel ( or set up ) that will charge a smartphone, or tablet or AA /AAA's. Let's say you are out for a weekend. Your best bet is just to take a batterypack/powerbank/etc,etc. Usually they are a Lithium Ion battery pack. For the above mentioned devices I wuld say a 40 Watt hour ( Whr) pack would suffice. Let's say you are wanting to watch a movie a night, well that would serve your needs. But…. if you go out for a week or more, then you will obviously need to think of charging that powerbank ( big battery pack ). The problem is that for us UL'ers, the only options are the rollable or foldable panels from either Powerfilm or Global Solar. – That is, they are the thin film technology products, but the trade off from light weight and packability is tht they are inefficient. I learnt the hard way, I lived in the High Arctic for 10 years, and at times spent weeks out camping/hunting etc, and needed to power/charge a GPS/ Iridium sat phone/ AA's etc, I bought a Iowa Thin Film ( powerfilm ) panel and unless I had fll sunshine ( yes only in summer or late spring north of 60!!!), it wouldn't even recharge the sat phone.
I then looked into the options, and learned about charge controllers, watt hrs, amp hrs, etc etc. In my opinion I would recommend you go for slight overkill and get a system that is more powerful than what your calculations work out to. Just think of how many days of your trip that you have full sunshine and are in a campsite etc that affords full sunshine???!!!. If you want to say keep an ipad/tablet, and a smartphone, and lets say 2x AA's alive for a week – then go for the highest wattage monocrystalline panel you can afford ( they come as foldable panels). At least a 40 watt panel is the realistic size. then get a 2 amp charge controller, and look for a lithium battery pack ( there re a million on Ebay and alibaba) at around 50+ watt/hrs). For trip and usage of around let's say 4-5 days – you can most likely get away with just the battery pack.Powerenz ( US cottage company ) have many really good options ( albeit expensive). If you research, you will realize that most companies will buy their panels and battery packs/powerbanks ( apple is one of them!!!), from China, and Brand Name them with their own and charge you a huge markup, or you can go online and do your homework= learn about exactly what you need and buy a nice setup from Alibaba/Ebay for a reasonable price.
Solar is awesome. Unfortunetely brands like Goal Zero market their stuff as the best, but their gear is overpriced to the max, heavy and VERY impractical for all hikers bar car campers ( IMHO!).
Research, research, research. Learn how Photovoltaics work etc, then you will realize that you can get great free energy for an initial low cost, or you can be a sucker and believe some of the manufacturers that will sell you underpowered products and you will just walk away mad and disgruntled and think Solar is still a joke – which it isn't!.Mar 24, 2013 at 7:58 pm #1969224
Tony FlemingBPL Member
If you're out there, would you mind sharing more specifically what you bought as a solar solution?
Tony FlemingMar 25, 2013 at 10:04 am #1969363
Vince ContrerasBPL Member
@pillowthreadLocale: like, in my head???
^^^^this. I use an old brunton panel and one of the bajillion batteries available on amazon. If you have more than one device to keep powered, go with a 20 watt panel and a 10,000mah battery; if not, than less.Aug 21, 2013 at 9:04 pm #2017483
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