Jan 22, 2012 at 2:31 pm #1284522
Have you seen this new Bear Canister.
With in the last week, Lighter1 has received confirmation of product approval from IGBC and only waits for approval from Yosemite. Full scale production of both size canisters starts immediately and should be available soon.Jan 22, 2012 at 2:38 pm #1828191
I don't care for the lidless pot gimmick lid. Price seems high if you are only interested in the little one. What size capacity do they have? My wife wife heard the music on the video and said that alone would stop her from buying whatever I was watching.
Edit I see 5 and 11 liter sizes listed.
Oh and the buy two deal only includes one lidJan 22, 2012 at 3:09 pm #1828200
We might all think about this one if they could stop the music on the video.
–B.G.–Jan 22, 2012 at 4:06 pm #1828212
John S.BPL Member
$80 pan with plastic thing attached to it.Jan 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm #1828218
David ThomasBPL Member
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
At that price, weight, being transparent, and the dual-purpose lid, it's one I'd seriously consider. I'd be left to make my own UL pot lid, but that's easy. It's actually a pretty good diameter for good canister stove efficiency.
After previous posts, I was expecting some horrid head-banger music, but didn't find it an issue. But I checked and my mute button worked just fine.Jan 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm #1828238
@skauLocale: Southern California
Why don't you like the lid design that doubles as a pan? I normally don't carry a pan but if I have to carry a bear canister than a pan would be an extra I would think..Jan 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm #1828243
They gave the dimensions of the small one as 7" X 9". Assuming a 9" diameter, that gives volume of ~427 c.i. Even if the diameter is 7", the volume is still ~333 c.i.
If it is the former, this could be a real improvement. If one is careful, they can get a lot of food into 427 c.i. In my case, probably 5-6 days worth at just over 19 oz/day. Even if the volume turns out to be only ~333 c.i., it is enough space for 3, maybe 4 days.
I'll be watching this one very closely.Jan 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm #1828252
Dimensions are normally given as the external dimensions. The volume is normally given as the internal volume. Big difference.
It is only slightly lighter than the small Bear Boxer, and for significantly more money.
–B.G.–Jan 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm #1828253
What happens if Yosemite says no?
The little Bareboxer Contender is $50 1.6 lbs 275 ci 7.4 inch dia. 8 inches tall for comparison.
I am not fond of the see through aspect either. Get some sun on your can and the contents get all sweaty. Chaff that.Jan 22, 2012 at 5:10 pm #1828254
@ Sam What happens with your canister while you are eating or off rinsing out the pan? Only takes a few unguarded moments for your food to be gone.
I'm all for dual use. When it makes sense.Jan 22, 2012 at 5:12 pm #1828256
"What happens if Yosemite says no? "
That's why the Lighter1 web site was filled with forward-thinking words and no committed dates or promises.
–B.G.–Jan 22, 2012 at 5:19 pm #1828262
I thought about the metal lid/dinner plate problem too Ken.
When i cook on trail i use the freezer bag method or rehydrate food in a hard sided ziplock container.
An option to have a lighter ABS or Poly carbonate lid would seem like a way to save weight and cost here as well as avoid the problem dual use would impose.
Which is; having an open bear canister while using the lid as a pan and having a bear canister lid that smells like cooked food (unless you just boil water in it).
I am also wondering if that internal support is neccesary or if it was just to give the pan/lid a handle.Jan 22, 2012 at 5:26 pm #1828264
Bob BankheadBPL Member
@wandering_bobLocale: Oregon, USA
Let's see now…… a 6 oz metal fry pan/handle/top……..
Do I REALLY want to cook in (part of) my bear can? Seems like that would add significantly to the food odor problem. I might as well put a dinner bell on the bear can.
What if I get really careless and over-heat it; will it warp? How much deformation would it take much before the closure was no longer secure?
No, thanks. I'll stick with my Bearikade Expedition.Jan 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm #1828275
In the King Range here your canister must be lidded and locked if out of arms reach.Jan 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm #1828303
"Dimensions are normally given as the external dimensions. The volume is normally given as the internal volume. Big difference."
That doesn't leave much to work with, since they only specified dimensions in the video. Any idea how big a difference? It would be interesting to know how thich the wall of the body is. That would make a volume calculation simple.Jan 22, 2012 at 7:38 pm #1828306
drowning in spamMember
The video provided the volume in liters.Jan 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm #1828309
"The video provided the volume in liters."
By golly, you're right, Eugene. I missed it the first time thru. 5 liters is only about 300 c.i., which doesn't fill the bill for me. Phooey, I was really excited there for a few hours. :(
Bob was spot on in his comment that there's a big difference between inner and outer length and diameter specs.Jan 22, 2012 at 8:12 pm #1828314
Ken stated: "The little Bareboxer Contender is $50 1.6 lbs 275 ci 7.4 inch dia. 8 inches tall for comparison."
So, the small one here is slightly roomier inside and slightly lighter in weight for a higher cost. It's no breakthrough.
–B.G.–Jan 22, 2012 at 8:18 pm #1828319
drowning in spamMember
"Let's see now…… a 6 oz metal fry pan/handle/top……..
Do I REALLY want to cook in (part of) my bear can? Seems like that would add significantly to the food odor problem. I might as well put a dinner bell on the bear can."
I tend not to use an odor proof bag, so the pan isn't a negative for me. I don't cook, so it's not a plus for me either, but I can see how it would be a great multi use item for some hikers.Jan 23, 2012 at 1:28 am #1828368
@hhopeLocale: East Bay
Let's see, if this gets Yosemite approved, then it costs about the same as a bearvault 500, has 1/2 a liter less capacity give or take, and weighs 5 oz less.
Ignoring the silly frying pan gimmick, which as noted you can't use in bear areas anyway since that would leave the canister open, that seems like a good deal.
The bearikade weekender has about the same capacity, and weighs 5 oz less, but costs 225.
Ideally they would dump the frying pan lid marketing angle which sort of makes them sound silly, and if they can lighten it even more without that, would be interesting.
Hope they get full approval of it, and that they figure out why frying in your canister lid is a bad idea..Jan 23, 2012 at 6:39 am #1828397
@carlbeckerLocale: Northern Virginia
The lighter 1 is 10 ounces lighter than the Bearikade and IMHO much smaller as well as cheaper. The pan part makes no sense what so ever. I have a small Bear Boxer which has a heavy lid also. I am sure a lighter carbon/kevlar version $$$ would be much lighter and would really like a 7" dia by 9" long can, fits my pack better.Jan 23, 2012 at 7:48 am #1828413
Erik BasilBPL Member
I'm not as quick to condemn it, and I'd like to check one out to get a feel for issues/questions like the "will the pan warp" and "can I fill it as full as a BearVault with the brace in there" type stuff. Otherwise, seeing a lighter, transparent canister is always good.
Okay, I admit to some humor at the prospect of having the lid of my canister being what I sizzled trout or marmot steaks in. I reckon that's more food odor than the utensils I'm gonna stash in the can.
I guess this is the season for bear canister testing and release, so let's keep our hopes up for good stuff.Jan 23, 2012 at 8:44 am #1828429
@gregfLocale: Canadian Rockies
I kind like the pan idea. For boiling water only if it can hold 3 cups it is not a bad solution. No odor will be transferred and you save 3.5 ozs on your pot so you are up to about 8ozs total savings. It is definately worth looking at if it gets all of its approvals.
As for leaving your bear can open while you eat personally that is not too big of an issue for me because if a bear sneaks up on me and steals my food with is within arms reach of me while I am eating supper it is probably not safe for me to eat supper.Jan 23, 2012 at 9:45 am #1828448
Erik, I bet you have a good recipe.
–B.G.–Jan 23, 2012 at 10:15 am #1828460
USA Duane HallBPL Member
@hikerduaneLocale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
I'm with Bob, it would save packing a few dinners if we had a good Marmot recipe. :)
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