Light weight wide-mouth metal bottle WITHOUT lining: Guyot Designs? Others? Modified vacuum flask?

Lifeline

http://www.lifelinefirstaid.com/store/WMCshop.pl?action=dbview&id=4962&list=category

They have a 40oz too!

The neck on those are too small

Sorry, nm

Use an empty aluminum beer bottle. The opening is not exactly small nor large. Sort of medium. Very lightweight, a little less than one ounce with screw cap.

–B.G.–

Thanks for the ideas, guys. I should have noted that the titanium bottles are far too pricey for my tastes. Nice but…

Re the alum beer bottle….that would definitely be light! But, I don't think their opening would be big enough for a Steripen. Besides, I was always under the impression that beverage cans had a lining….don't they?

guyot bottle (38 oz) is 11.7 oz, not light, but certainly bombproof :)

"But, I don't think their opening would be big enough for a Steripen."

I measure the opening as 1.2" on this Miller Lite aluminum bottle. It is not a can.

–B.G.–

Which model of Steri-pen are you using?

I'm using the older Adventurer model. Not sure about its requirements but Steripen states a minimum 1.75 in. diameter opening for the newer version. My Klean Kanteen opening is 2.125" and seems none too big in these regards.

Most bottles have a lining of some nature. Usually the lining is more innocuous than the metal.

There is always a little cloud in any silver lining.

–B.G.–

They are hard to find, but some promotional-oriented water bottle merchandisers carry H2GO brand stainless bottles that look like a Nalgene, although the threads don't match.

Search on "H2GO 40 stainless steel water bottle" (they are 40oz)

http://www.imprintitems.com/drinkware/watersportsbottle/h2go-40oz-stainless

Others:

http://www.outfitterssupply.com/Stainless-Steel-1-liter-Water-Bottle-with-TrailMax-Logo/productinfo/WTM585/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brushed-Stainless-Steel-Wide-Lid-1-Liter-Water-Bottle-/260846596556

http://infiniteelectronix.com/primusstainlesssteelwaterbottle10lorangep-735250.aspx

http://www.backcountryedge.com/gsi_outdoors-75-glacier-stainless-dukjug.aspx

Thanks, Dale! I was psyched to to see all those bottles….. but their weights killed it. The ones that had specs were no lighter than my Klean Kanteen.:(

Man, there has to be something out there. Then again, maybe not. I guess I'll be browsing the thrift store aisles for old Thermos bottles to experiment with.

just don't try and stick a thermos or other double walled vessel in a fire- can be a little dangerous, stick w/ single wall if that's something you're considering

I have a couple H2GO models that are 6.7oz and another that is 7.1oz. The published weight I found for the 40oz wide-mouth Klean Kanteen was 9.7oz— not an earth-shattering difference, but ~30% would be considered respectable with any other UL gear.

One source that I forgot that is a re-branded H2GO bottle: http://www.planetzerogravity.com/cmg/?q=beverage-bottle/1-liter

I suspect there is a limit to the wall thickness because of the forming process and wouldn't expect to see stainless bottles that are much lighter. You can actually flex the wall of the H2GO bottle a bit with your hand. At 6.7oz, you are at par with a plastic Nalgene. Existing titanium pots in the 700-900ml range are 4oz-6oz, so I don't know how much farther you can expect to go from 6.7oz for a steel bottle. Note that they are 40oz capacity, which is 1182ml and that weight included the plastic lid and retaining ring.

The lids are removable like a Nalgene and the bottle can be used on a stove or in a fire, so it it is possible to recoup some of the weight by using the bottle as a boiling pot. It would be great to see one that is a little wider and with thinner gauge metal for use as a pot. A titanium version would be better yet. Something about the width of an MSR Titan with a removable screw-top plastic cap would work for me. I would add a small bail or loop to help haul it off a stove or fire and to aid carrying.

I originally bought mine to use as an all-in-one survival kit. The metal container allows cooking and boiling for water purification. The bottle is a waterproof container and the wide mouth allows storing all kinds of items inside. When it comes time to use the bottle for hauling water, the contents could go in your pockets. A little paracord would allow carrying the bottle bandoleer-style.

Re: cannibalizing a Thermos bottle. The wall thickness on the thermos is at least as thick as the H2GO bottles. Are you thinking of using the inner wall and the threaded stopper? It may work with the Steripen, but it will be close. I'll bet that it will end up about the same diameter as the narrower-necked Klean Kanteen and at least as heavy if not more so.

Mike,

Thanks. No worries there though. I was thinking of cutting the inner out of the Thermos so it would end up being a single wall…hopefully a thinner walled and lighter bottle.

Dale,

Thanks again for the info. The 27 oz Klean Kanteen bottle I've been using weighs 7.785 oz. The H2GO bottle you linked to is lighter and holds more water. I don't need that much capacity but it is a little lighter! If they just made one the shape and size of my Klean Kanteen……

I like your idea of eliminating the cook pot all together. Have been thinking about that since the Klean Kanteen appeared on the market. Would be perfect if all I ate were meals prepared in their pouches. However, a lot of my food is stuff I concoct myself at home and cook at camp in the pot.

Re the size of the Thermos opening, I have one here at the house with the same sized opening as my wide mouth Klean Kanteen. It's too nice to experiment with though so I'll be scoping out the thrift stores.

If you own a Steripen and have Miller Lite bottles laying around as I do, it is very OBVIOUS as you put it that the two don't work. Also try putting one of the Miller cans in a fire and see what you end up with. It is thicker than a standard aluminum can but it is still a soft thin aluminum.

"If you own a Steripen and have Miller Lite bottles laying around as I do, it is very OBVIOUS as you put it that the two don't work. Also try putting one of the Miller cans in a fire and see what you end up with. It is thicker than a standard aluminum can but it is still a soft thin aluminum."

I stated the dimension on the bottle, but you would have to leave that up to the original poster as to whether or not that met his criteria. I have no idea what a Steripen looks like, nor do I care.

Also, putting the can into the fire was not a criteria mentioned by the original poster, was it?

–B.G.–

Would the Swiss army rigs also have too narrow a neck for the Steripen?

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/WX-130.jpg

Klean Kanteen is the only manufacturer I know of that makes a wide mouth stainless bottle in the 27oz range. There are many who are turning out bottles in that size with neck that are about 1-3/4", but some are as heavy as the 40oz H2GO bottles.

It's quite a game using the Steripen with a water bottle and keeping it UL. The best combination I've seen is to simply use your cook pot for treating the water and pour that in whatever container you like. The next best case is using a Platypus with the bottom cut off and a push pull cap– treat in the Platy and pull the cap to decant into your favored container.

From my seat, the stainless bottle option is most effective for an UL kit IF it is also used as a pot/boiler. It wouldn't be terrible for cooking in, but it would be more difficult to clean. Used as a boiler, the major drawback is the diameter and stability on some stoves. The height/width ratio probably isn't optimum for the small alcohol stoves.

I'm curious to see what you come up with from the Thermos bottles. I'll keep an eye out for possibilities too.

Yeah, bottle neck on the Swiss Army stoves are about the same or even smaller than the 1-3/4" necked stainless bottles and the assembly isn't all that light. A Caldera Cone is a much better bet.

If it hasn't been noted, the question is which Steripen model. The Journey would fit in many of the 1-3/4" necked stainless bottles, but the Adventurer Opti and others are too big.

"I have no idea what a Steripen looks like, nor do I care."

Thats the problem. In order for it to be "the obvious" (the title of your first post)
you would have to know the dimensions of a Steripen. A large percentage of your more than 5000 posts on this forum are posted in that "don't care" ,condescending, know it all, feel the need to comment on everything attitude.

"Also, putting the can into the fire was not a criteria mentioned by the original poster, was it?"

No it wasn't in the original post, but it was in the post above mine. However what was in the original post was that the bottle need to be "unlined". Since you have posted more than once about the great Miller bottle, I would assume you have a vast amout of knowledge and experience with the bottle and know it has a lining make it the not-so "obvious" choice.

"I measure the opening as 1.2" on this Miller Lite aluminum bottle. It is not a can."

You actually drink Miller Lite? Isn't that just wet air?

"You actually drink Miller Lite?"

I never claimed that I drank it, and I sure didn't claim to like it.

As it turns out, I buy lots of products just to get the unique packaging.

–B.G.–