Apr 24, 2011 at 8:12 am #1272775
Art …BPL Member
I actually own a pair of Inov 8's that I never wear.
I've tried on a few different models in stores.
They just don't seem right for me.
But many owners swear by them, to the point where its very "Applesque".
I mean Cult-like. The rabid allegiance is a bit scary.
Yet I here reports of premature wear from many owners, and the tread pattern was designed for running in the muddy hillsides of Great Britain, not the rocky trails of the Western USA.
Those of you who own Inov 8's … can you give me a rational argument why they are so good ?
Please don't anyone say "Hike Your Own Hike" that is simply code for "I don't really have a valid response".Apr 24, 2011 at 8:20 am #1728718
Chris TownsendBPL Member
@christownsendLocale: Cairngorms National Park
Very light, very comfortable, very breathable, quick drying. I wore Terrocs on a thru'hike of the Pacific Northwest Trail last year and I've worn them on many walks in Scotland.
I almost wore out two pairs on the PNT, so that's around 600 miles a pair. I've had lightweight boots that didn't last that long.
But there are other good shoes and fit is the most important factor.Apr 24, 2011 at 8:22 am #1728719
Hmmmmm. I wouldn't say I'd swear by them, though I do enjoy swearing often….
I've got two pair, and I do like them. They fit my feet well and seem to give me enough protection for the places I hike. I wore a pair on my week-long Teton Crest trip, plenty of rock on that one, and they did fine. And they're lighter than most other options, which I like.
But I think they do wear out pretty quickly. It seems that most of the minimalist shoes do. My NB MT-100s wore out pretty quickly too, but I like them as well (enough to buy a pair of the 101s).
Whereas I can't ever envision myself buying a PC (yep, I'm one of those), I certainly buy other than Inov-8s. But I do like my Inov-8s. Probably what I'll wear on my next outing next weekend.Apr 24, 2011 at 8:29 am #1728722
Ken T.BPL Member
I also like the fact that they don't change the shoes every year for the sake of change. Been happy with my Terroc 330s. Never had a blister. Only bad point for me is that the fabric inside the heal area wears too fast. I started adding some tape in there to slow it down. The come in a 15. Many manufacturers do not. They have worn way longer than a pair of Brooks. Those were junk IMO.
Just like Apple they work for me.Apr 24, 2011 at 9:09 am #1728732
Flexible w/no rock plate, excellent grip. Low to the ground with good trail feel. I use loc-laces with them and can comfortably do 20+ mile trail runs or long mileage hiking days in them and my feet feel great afterwards.
I have yet to find a trail running shoe that is better for grip than my x-talon's. Yes, I also use them in rocky areas, skree, etc.
While I've had early wear on some of the upper's, I can get as many trail running miles out of my x-talon's as I can out of a similar road running or trail shoe. Expecting similar miles as hiking boots or more substantial (ready heavy) trail shoes is an apples to oranges comparison.
Ken's point about not changing models often is a good one. Although, this adds to the myraid of versions they have as they add, rather than modify most of the time. No doubt this is confusing to those new customers.
I think inov-8 lovers often do want to spread the word and suggest people give them a try. However, unlike *some* Apple fan-boy's or cults, we may want you to join the club, but if you give it a shot and don't like it, so be it.
Of course, take all of this with a grain of salt as I must confess I recently switched to one of their new road-x shoes for road runs. Yes, I am happy with it so far.
I do have issues with some inov-8's. For instance, my x-talon's don't dry out as fast as I'd like and I'm not confident I'll get high miles out of the road-x's sole.
You can say "don't say hike your own hike", but footwear is very personal and what works well for me, might be terrible for you. To me, this point, more than any, differs from an apple/cult attitude.Apr 24, 2011 at 10:07 am #1728744
Daniel AllenBPL Member
@dan_quixoteLocale: below the mountains (AK)
I haven't used mine very much, but so far they've been terrific in the snow with a pair of gore-tex socks underneath. Their rabid traction is fantastic in the winter, and in the spring they also do a bang up job on the mud generated as all the snow melts up here in AK. And my running hypothesis is that the snow and mud don't wear the tread down the same way as rock trail would.
For me, mixed packed-snow and off-trail in winter is their best application, and their lightness a great counter to the weight of my snowshoes.
Just wear gaiters: snow likes to stockpile between the top of the tongue and my ankle, and it eventually gets uncomfortable and will come back quicker once the shoe material gets wet.
I should mention, though, that I only bought them because of all the hype I too read, and I've put <50 miles on them so far, but they've been great this winter/spring for my few trips.
The best part about Inov-8 shoes, though, is the reality distortion field.
-DanielApr 24, 2011 at 10:23 am #1728748
Jim ColtenBPL Member
Short answer … they keep my feet happy and if my feet are unhappy then I'm an unhappy camper.
Chris summed up the reasons very well.
But few things are as individual as feet so ya have to try them on trail to find out. I wasn't willing to pay the $$ to try them until I stumbled on a $35 pair that fit me on an REI clearance rack (unsure how they got there, REI's never sold them as far as I've seen). For my feet it was love at first hike … and the feeling hasn't faded in the intervening three years. I have a pair sitting in a box waiting for the current pair to wear out and I shop before I need them, looking for a good price.Apr 24, 2011 at 10:30 am #1728751
Dustin SnyderBPL Member
I have a pair of roclite 295 and love them! I really like the softer rubber soles and there light weight. They breath very well and my feet don't move around much at all.Apr 24, 2011 at 10:40 am #1728753
@rivrfoxLocale: Western Slope, Colorado
for packing…I've had great success with the 315's.
Slightly unrelated I'm just getting into minimalist running. Not sure if it will be able to cross over into backpacking.
I'll post some fotos of an old pair I've worn to their death :)
Cheers~Apr 24, 2011 at 10:41 am #1728754
Terri WrightBPL Member
@ncalcamperLocale: SF Bay Area
I have a pretty wide foot and often wear shoes/boots that are meant for youth. I tried on about 5 different brands at Zombie Runner yesterday all of them were women's shoes that felt a little tight. What I like about Inov-8 is their size their shoes as unisex and get down to small sizes (I wear a man's size 6) so I can get that wider width shoe that has the technical merits of an adult shoe. I'm really tired of velcro. ;-)Apr 24, 2011 at 11:22 am #1728778
Pepe LPBPL Member
@pepelpLocale: New Mexico
I have a few pairs. I love the aggressive soles and the light weight. They really work well on the trails I frequent.
But….the forefoot is a little narrow for me, and the heel cup a little big. Probably won't buy more unless I can find a model that fits better. Right now I'm using a LaSportiva Crosslite. For me, the more aggressive the sole the better.Apr 24, 2011 at 11:46 am #1728785
Link .BPL Member
I also like the fact they have unisex sizing like Terri,I don't wear the womens versions I wear the smaller mens and the toe box is great on me,I not only hike in these but I work in them as well.REI did used to sell inov-8's but stopped a few years ago.Apr 24, 2011 at 11:50 am #1728788
I've had a pair of x-talon 212s for over a year, and really puit them through their paces, two seasons of cross country running, a few hundred miles of hiking and backpacking, and many other things. They are still completely usable. the upper material is bomber, there is significant wear on the tread, but there was so much tread to begin with, they still grip better than anything else. If you have a narrowish foot they fit great.
just got a pair if roclite 295s to try out for a bit more protection when backpacking.
I've also found some really good deals on them. my recent roclites were $40 or $50.
Inov8 is also a great company, they sponsor many athletes in a variety of disciplines, and are also very environmentally conscious.
If the shoe fits…Apr 24, 2011 at 1:28 pm #1728815
kevperro .BPL Member
@kevperroLocale: Washington State
"Please don't anyone say "Hike Your Own Hike" that is simply code for "I don't really have a valid response."
Hike your own hike.
Couldn't help myself but it isn't code for "I don't have a valid response". It is code for "people have different opinions and we should respect that fact".
For the record… I don't own nor have ever owned a pair. I'm just bought some Teva boots with ankle support and an eVent liner. I'm expecting them to be the next craze and I wanted to jump on board early.Apr 24, 2011 at 2:35 pm #1728844
@dirk9827Locale: Pacific Northwest
…that HYOH isn't code for "I don't have a valid response." Rather, it's an acknowledgement that there are plurality of viewpoints based upon opinions.
Nobody has the the time or money to try all the shoes out there – there are brands that work for a lot of people and are repeated cited here. But footwear is among the most subjective decisions in this hiking universe – people love certain brands/styles because it works for them.
DirkApr 24, 2011 at 5:12 pm #1728893
Jason ElsworthBPL Member
@jephotoLocale: New Zealand
They are certainly kinda cool looking and well marketed. I know many people believe they are rugged individualist who are not swayed by marketing, but they just tend to buy stuff marketed to rugged individualist who are not swayed by marketing :). However to me they also seem to deliver in terms of performance.
I have been pleased with my Flyroc 310s. They have a good sole for NZ conditions and the heel feels nice and close to the ground. In contrast my Salamon XAs didn't have good enough grip and just seem to have too much heel (especially since I now do quite a lot of barefoot walking). It is all down to fit though, as I tried some Terrocs and they were to narrow in the fore foot for me.
I know this type of shoe wont last forever (my XAs are already wearing out), but once I don't think they are suitable for tramping I use them for causal use and then finally for working in the garden, so I do get good use out of them before they go to the landfill.Apr 24, 2011 at 5:43 pm #1728914
@andrew-fLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
I got a pair of Roclite 295's about a month ago and have been running and hiking in them. They are my first pair of Inov-8's. I found them browsing Zappos and hadn't read anything about them before then, so I would consider my opinion "groupthink-free."
Things I like:
-Lightest shoes I have ever owned. My size 10's weigh 9.9 ounces
-Traction. They are noticeably grippier than anything other than my climbing approach shoes. I attribute this to the "S" rubber and aggressive lugs.
-Minimal structure, i.e. they are basically just shoelaces attached to a flat sole. I even wear mine without the insoles b/c they fit my foot better that way
Things I don't like:
-They aren't the best fitting shoes I have ever worn (not a fault of the brand, but rather my feet.) Since they don't have a lot of support my left ankle tends to slide inward and rub against the inside of the heel. I think this must have to do with the biomechanics of my foot/stride because it doesn't happen on the right side.
Durability remains to be seen. Mine have about 100 miles on them and are doing just fine. I would buy another pair.
AndrewApr 25, 2011 at 11:50 am #1729210
"But many owners swear by them, to the point where its very "Applesque".
I mean Cult-like. The rabid allegiance is a bit scary."
Every mention of Inov 8's I can find on these forums is solid sensible opinion either for or against. I certainly cannot find any trace of 'rabid allegiance'.
They work for me because they are light, hard wearing, work in sand/snow/mud and on rock. They are comfortable even on 35 mile days.
AndyLApr 25, 2011 at 12:53 pm #1729239
eric chanBPL Member
i love my terrocs …. light, grippy, breathable, flexible sole …
the only place where they dont work as well is bushwhacking where thorns, sharp branches will punch through the mesh … or on broken rock fields where a stiffer sole would help more
other than that they are greatApr 25, 2011 at 11:17 pm #1729536
Mark VerberBPL Member
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
Summary: thousands of blister free miles with no knee or hip pain. I primarily use flyroc-310 on the trail, 295 when close to town. More specific factors:
fits me just right. The toebox and main body is larger enough, while the heel is narrow enough for MY foot. I find the toebox of most of the RocLite line too narrow, so any of their more minimalist shoes don't work for me :-(
used to be one of the lightest options, though they are no longer class leading with the launch of so many minimalist shoes in the last two years.
fairly fast drying and breath well.
flexible sole (which seems to be a core reason I don't have hip / knee pain that I suffered with for 40+ years until I switch to inov-8 and other minimalist shoes
inov-8 doesn't change the design, they keep selling designs that people are buying without changing them for years!! the flyroc-310 I purchase a few weeks ago (I have lost track, but I think it is pair 15) is the same design (other than color change) as the flyroc I purchased in 2005.
great traction on anything but ice.
mesh of the flyroc not that protective (feet dirty, sometimes vegitation pokes feet)
shortly life than ideal (approx 400 miles)
heavier (and not zero drop) compare to several shoes that are on the market today… though I have yet to find something that gives me the same comfort combined with adequate traction.
–markApr 26, 2011 at 6:54 am #1729572
Martin RJ CarpenterMember
The products (if excellent) might be broadly replacable from other people now, but the peace of mind of knowing that once you've found a shoe you've that fits nicely an identical replacement is almost certainly going to be there when it wears out? Much harder to find and really *hugely* reassuring!
Compare that to say Montrail (esp with their recent UK 'distribution') and you can imagine why I wish they fitted my feet…. They don't though. Oh well :)Apr 26, 2011 at 7:24 am #1729580
@carlbeckerLocale: Northern Virginia
I did a fair amount of reseach into gear, shoes included. I have tried many different brands of shoe and tried different types of Inov 8 shoes. I finally tried the X-talon 212's. They fit my feet much better then the 315's or 370's. What keeps me in them beside the fit is the light weight and grip. Most trail runners will dry quickly enough not to bother me and I do walk through streams wearing my shoes. What I don't like is how fast the tread wears and they are not made in the USA. I will keep a new pair as backup as long as these are made. I no longer look at different shoes to purchase. I am sure your foot is different than mine.Apr 26, 2011 at 7:30 am #1729582
Brendan SwihartBPL Member
@brendansLocale: Fruita CO
+1 on the 212s. My only complaint is that I wish they drained/dried a bit faster. The uppers are pretty tough though. I think I'm going to try some 285s next since they sound pretty similar but with a different mesh and soles (which I wouldn't mind…the x-talon soles are sweet but do wear faster than the roclite soles with their increased surface area).Apr 27, 2011 at 4:08 am #1730002
my feet are pretty tolerant, I can happily wear most decent brands.
what sets Inov8 apart for me is the absolutely superb grip some of their sole units provide. I have sticky sole trainers from the likes of Five Ten & Montrail. None compares to the grip from my Roclite 318's – yes the rubber is a little softer, but that's the point, on dodgy surfaces – wet greasy rock, wet grass etc, nothing can match itApr 27, 2011 at 9:01 am #1730072
kevperro .BPL Member
@kevperroLocale: Washington State
I'm the opposite…. I have to be picky about footwear because my feet suck. I had to get custom orthodontics when I was in the Army otherwise I developed bad shin-splints from running in military boots with a pack on hard surfaces.
I don't know if that abuse aggravated the problem but now I'm fairly picky about what I use. Fit and some support seem to work the best for me so even if a shoe doesn't have all the features, is heavy or isn't the most popular, I use what fits my foot the best and keeps me from developing lower-leg pain.
How do I know what fits? Good question…. I just know from the experience of using a lot of different boots/shoes over the years. I can now go into a store, try them on and have a pretty good idea how they will work on the trail for me. I've taken my kids to fit them for hiking and I never know exactly how to explain to them what to look for outside of the obvious. My son can put on any shoe that he can get his foot into and it doesn't seem to bother him. I'll try on twenty different shoes and still not find one I like. Go figure…
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