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    Sean Walashek
    Member

    @caraz

    Locale: bay area

    Eugene, you were trying to stir something up, don't take the high ground and act like your weren't now. Saying things like "its just a freaking jacket," Rubbed me the wrong way, and maybe some others. I think the air of ambivalence you are taking now is a punk-out. This is an issue that didn't concern you in the slightest made into something more. I'd also tell you to cool it on the sexist comments about not getting our panties bunched up but this thong really is killing me.

    #1599737
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    Gypped is a derogatory term that came about by shortening the word Gypsie, which originally, and perhaps generically, referred to the Romani people of India who migrated to parts of Europe centuries ago. There are now several people groups that are referred to as "Gypsies", though originally the term "gypsie" was specific to the Romani people (not to be associated with the Romanian people of Eastern Europe).

    "Gypped" is quite similar to the derogatory term "to jew" or to be "jewed", a commonly known inflammatory remark referring to the Jewish people. Essentially, both phrases are unjustifiably suggesting that an individual/persons are: being swindled, robbed, cheated, slighted, etc. etc. etc.

    #1599743
    David Lutz
    Member

    @davidlutz

    Locale: Bay Area

    Sean – I disagree with you at a very base level about what B & P's owes you, but I have to say you have a point about the panties!

    #1599749
    David Lutz
    Member

    @davidlutz

    Locale: Bay Area

    Is Ben2world out of town or something?

    #1599750
    Travis Leanna
    BPL Member

    @t-l

    Locale: Wisconsin

    I actually have been to Romania. Mostly because we were foreigners, we were warned–by native Romanians–to watch out for "the gypsies." My college professor, who was with us, was born in Transylvania (yup, its a real place). He specifically told us not to talk to them and to watch our belongings very carefully. Even there, whether right or wrong, prejudice or not, they were a class of people frowned upon by many. I never made the connection to the word.

    #1599760
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    What can I say Sean? I'm a punk! No punkin' out on my behalf. I don't take the high or the low road and definitely don't want to project some cloud of piety, nothing pious about me. I'm rotten to the core.

    There's nothing sexist or chauvinist about anyone getting their "panties in a knot", male or female, that's just plain uncomfortable. Fact. I Googled the term just to make sure. :)

    #1599774
    Sean Walashek
    Member

    @caraz

    Locale: bay area

    I would argue if it really is an unjustifiable accusation of shady business practices. Gypo's will steal your backpack and offer you a good price if you want to buy it back. If you trace the etymology of my last name you'll find it goes back to the Romani/Monrovian nomads, I would warn anyone be wary of any exchange with gypsies, unless you are looking for an exciting story to bring home. But alas, here, we are evolved politically correct individuals so all peoples, cultures, and creeds are unequivocally equal in all ways and have not a single negative defining characteristic.
    I'm sure many Semitic people would take offense to their business acumen being lumped in with that of gypsies. In my experience I have never found more upfront and honest, while admittedly shrewd business dealings than with Jewish people.
    In summation Bill and Paul's made a mistake, albeit an understandable and forgivable mistake. In my opinion as a company wanting to preserve their reputation they should rectify that mistake so that all those customers who had actual business dealings felt satisfied. As it stands I am not.

    #1599786
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    All this other bickering aside, I take no offense Eugene. I think it's good to point things like this out to people; many have no idea of meanings/origins of words- in this case it's me. I teach high school and take it upon myself to constantly correct kids when I hear things like this- I'm perfectly happy to be corrected as well. I figure it's far better I hear it here than in a potentially ugly/truly embarrassing "real" world scenario.

    #1599793
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    Right on Craig, glad we're cool and level.

    #1599796
    Dan Stanko
    Member

    @dinsdale

    Locale: Loozerville,USA

    I'm new hear and I've learned something here too….

    Some is interesting….

    And some is disappointing….

    Guess every type of forum has some pound of flesh folks….

    #1599797
    Joe Clement
    BPL Member

    @skinewmexico

    Locale: Southwest

    Learn something new, and PC, every day here on BPL.

    #1599815
    James Patsalides
    BPL Member

    @jamespatsalides-com

    Locale: New England

    There are other "non-racist" theories on the origin of "gypped"… this is my favorite:
    A 'gippo,' later shortened to 'gyp,' was a short jacket worn by the valets of Oxford undergraduates in the 17th century. The word 'gyp' this theory holds, was eventually applied to the servants themselves, who were often cheats and thieves. (from phrases.org.uk)

    Be careful who you trust when it comes to the English language!

    #1599816
    t.darrah
    BPL Member

    @thomdarrah

    Locale: Southern Oregon

    There have been numerous posts on this thread from members that I like, respect and feel a comradery with in relation to all things UL.

    This thread only reaffirms to me that we are each different and unique which is a good thing. How boring life would be if we were all the same.

    #1599825
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    What's a flesh folk? That's new to me.

    #1599840
    cary bertoncini
    Spectator

    @cbert

    Locale: N. California

    The noun "gyp" has the college derivation someone stated and is not related to gypsies in any way, but is derived from the greek word for "vulture." The verb "gyp" is derived from the noun gypsy, and is derogatory, meaning "to swindle." These are derivations confirmed by Merriam-Websters, not theories. In actuality, they are two completely different words with the same spelling and pronounciation.

    #1599842
    Sean Walashek
    Member

    @caraz

    Locale: bay area

    I thought it was a very clever or unconscious choice of words or just a funny coincidence or just one of those things. Its a reference to the character Shylock (A jewish money lender) who makes a deal for a fiscal loan in exchange for a pound of flesh should the loan not be repaid on time. From Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice. I think it was a slight directed at me for being focused on the deal before the compassion of the exchange and my hard edge stance in these matters. Funny that it came right after talk of Jewish business practice's.

    #1599867
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Lots of wiold and unverified assumptions being made here guys. THE source for these sorts of discussions is the Oxford English Dictionary, being older than all the other modern ones (like MW).

    gyp 3: Cheat, swindle [19th C perhaps from gyp1]

    gyp 1: College servant at Cambridge and Oxford, (cf scout) [perhaps from obsolete gippo: scullion, originally man's short tunic, from obsolete French jupeau]

    There is NO mention of 'gypsy' whatsoever here.

    Cheers

    #1599875
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    Thanks James and Carol for the clarification on the noun form and verb form of the words 'gyp'! I stand completely corrected, Craig it seems your comment was technically completely acceptable. However, to be quite honest, I'm now completely confused on the true origin/version(s) of the word. For the sake of avoiding argument or offending anyone I'll just continue to not use the word in conversation. Language is fun.

    #1599878
    EndoftheTrail
    BPL Member

    @ben2world-2

    "There is NO mention of 'gypsy' whatsoever here."

    Even the word Gypsy is no longer politically correct. The people in question prefer to be called Roma. These people were called Gypsies because they were thought to originate from Egypt — which turned out to be untrue. India was their original homeland.

    #1599889
    Jeff Moody
    Member

    @bigtiki

    "In summation Bill and Paul's made a mistake, albeit an understandable and forgivable mistake."

    A mistake? Really? Get A grip!!

    #1599893
    Nia Schmald
    BPL Member

    @nschmald

    I wonder how the Bill and Paul's folks will feel about dealing with BPLers after reading this thread? Quite the intro to the BPL community.

    #1599906
    cary bertoncini
    Spectator

    @cbert

    Locale: N. California

    but "Gypsy" refers to several different groups, not just Romani

    #1599925
    Travis Leanna
    BPL Member

    @t-l

    Locale: Wisconsin

    What a weird thread.

    #1599930
    James Patsalides
    BPL Member

    @jamespatsalides-com

    Locale: New England

    LOL. Weird is about right!
    Let us celebrate diversity in all its forms… happy trails, friends! :-)

    #1599989
    BlackHatGuy
    Spectator

    @sleeping

    Locale: The Cascades

    Moderator of BPL forums. It's not just a job, it's an adventure……

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