Whats your weight for the big 3+1

> not everyone uses the same set of stakes

So true.
My 10 stakes in their aloksac ziplock weigh 1.6oz and are always included in my shelter weight.

Assuming lows down to 60 degrees:
ULA Amp – 13.0 oz.
AMK Thermolite 2 bivy bag – 6.88 oz.
Custom Cat tarp – 8.5 oz.
NeoAir Pad – 13.75 oz.

Total: 42.13 oz./2.63 lbs.

Assuming lower temps:
Substitute Marmot Atom (long) -23.00

Total:58.25 oz./3.64 lbs.

While I will probably be laughed off the site as I am not UL, I do try to be as light and low-volume (as I have learned that means a lot in some conditions) as I can depending on many factors.

What is your hypothetical scenario Ali? Overnighter, week-long, or thru-hike? Solo, I assume. My weights are all over the place depending on where I am (mountains vs lowlands) and who I am with. I am actually lighter sometimes when I am with my B-I-L Dave as he is UL and pushes me once in a while to see if I can go-as-low as him. (NO, but I try.)

Summer 1 – about 2lbs

Pack – GG Whisper – 4 oz
Bag – synthetic quilt – 11 oz
Tarp – Brawnylight – 11 oz inc guy lines and stakes
Pad – GG Thinlight – 3/8 trimmed – 5oz
Ground Cloth (polycro) – .5 oz?
Pillow – 1 oz

Summer 2 – about 2¾ lbs

Pack – GG Murmur – 8 oz
Bag – Sierra Designs Wicked Light (old down top bag) – 14 oz
Tarp – BPL SpinTarp X-Pro – 7 oz inc guy lines and stakes
Pad – short Ridgerest – 9 oz
Ground cloth (Tyvek)- 4.5 oz
Pillow – 1 oz

Added ground cloths and pillow to complete my sleep system.
Switch packs according to expected water availability.
All weights rounded up & include stuff sacks (if used)
Often switch tarps and bags around according to expected weather.

Here is my last trip in warm weather with little chance of rain:

GG Murmur w/o hip belt = 6.2
MLD Silnylon Poncho/Tarp with stakes/lines = 12.6
Trimmed GG 3/8" Foam pad = 2.6
GG Polycro ground sheet = 2.0
BPL UL60 quilt = 12.4
Total = 35.8 oz (2lb 3.8 oz)

If chance of rain in cooler weather (replace ground sheet with bivy and UL 60 with Nanatek-which is on order):
GG Murmur w/o hip belt = 6.2
MLD Silnylon Poncho/Tarp with stakes/lines = 12.6
MLD Soul Side Zip bivy = 7.9
Trimmed GG 3/8" Foam pad = 2.6
Nunatak Arc Specialist (.8 Quantum + ovefill) = 18.0
Total = 47.3 oz (2lb 15.3 oz)

If I need lots of water, Murmur is replaced by ULA Conduit or Ohm. Sometimes use GG Nightlight torso @ 3.5 or BMW Torsolite @ 9.6. Also, no rain gear carried with poncho/tarp :)

Gossamer Gear Whisper w/ pads 5.25oz
Gatewood Cape w/ stakes,pole,lines 18.00oz
MB UL SS Down Hugger #5 20.00oz
Gossamer Gear Nightlight pad 3.30oz

Total 46.55oz
2.9 lbs

Spring/Winter
Golite Jam 22.00oz
MB Diamond Monoframe 42.00oz
MB SS #5 plus MB Thermal Sheet 34.00 oz
Nightlight plus Thinlight 5.00oz

Total 103.00oz
6.4 lbs

Comparing my weights to same gear of others, I find my weights are greater. Used my digital fish scale to weigh everything…guess it's not calibrated. Nonetheless, I've never considered the totals before, and I'm satisfied with the numbers.

Osprey Exos 58 2lbs.8ozs.

WM Alpinelite 2lbs

warmlite 60" 23ozs.

SMD Gatewoodcape and Serenity net and stakes 18ozs.

Total 7.06lbs.Yah new heavy weight champion of BPL.

"but not everyone uses the same set of stakes or length/amount of guylines, and it is part of your shelter system."

That's exactly why I didn't include stake weight. The kind of stakes I use may not be the same stakes someone else uses (i.e. MSR Groundhog vs. titanium shepard's hook). Also, while I may prefer to bring a certain number of stakes, another person may find that a different number of stakes works better for him with the same exact shelter, or that one type of terrain requires a different type and number of stakes than another type of terrain (forest vs. desert vs. high plains, etc.).

pack – GoLite Jam2 (large, stock) – 26oz.
tent – BA Seedhouse SL2 – 46oz.
bag – WM Summerlite (regular) – 19oz.
pad – Thermarest Prolite 3 (short) – 11oz.

total – 6lb 6oz.

On the heavy side, but I plan on modifying the pack and tent to address that. I'd save a lot by moving to a tarp but after spending a summer in Labrador I won't venture anywhere I can't cut myself off from the bugs completely. I /still/ have nightmares about the clouds of blackflies.

Kathmandu alpaca pack 106oz
Noname 2 inch inflatable foam pad 32oz
Quest 2P tent 113oz
Mountain designs dryloft bag 57oz

TOTAL 19.25 pounds (308 ounces)

EDIT: Oh, wait, that was my baseweight before I joined BPL. ;-)

Is it just me, or does this seem a bit like comparing the size of your willy with the other boys behind the bike shed at school? ;-)

Seriously though, I find it amusing that most of us here seem to adopt an apologetic tone when our Big 4 weight is over six pounds. Like we've been naughty or something.

ps. on my next overseas trip my big four will probably be:
GG nimbus meridian (56oz)
Tarptent Scarp 2 (52 ounces)
Neoair pad (14 ounces)
WM ultralite (32 ounces)
Total = 154 ounces = 9.62 pounds

Clearly I have been a very naughty boy (he's not the messiah!). The pack is because I'm traveling overseas and need a panel loader for day-to-day use. The Scarp 2 is because I'm with my GF, and ultralite is because its cold.

I'm still really torn about the pack though. You guys are making me feel really inadequate. ;-) I'm forever tossing up getting a smaller, lighter pack and taking a second "tote" bag for general travel stuff. Sigh…

Zpacks Z1 /w Sternum strap and waist belt: 5.29
Bag: MYOG 5 oz XP halfbag: 11.03 (used with MB Inner down Parka
Tarp: GoLite Poncho/Tarp /w Triptease guylines and 8x Zpacks minibiners: 12.8
Pad: 31×21 blue foamer torso pad: 4.48

Total: 33.6

Add in my MLD Superlighy bivy /w minibiner (5.99) and you get 39.59.

Re: stakes. I have three sets of stakes I primarily use: some 6" Easton nails, some 9" Easton nails and some Vargo Ti Shepard's hooks. The 6" nails are my default, but I will take different stakes depending on the expected soil conditions. BPL did a great review of stake holding power a while back.
See my SUL list in my profile.

ULA Circuit 2008 with extra foam padding: 1 kg
Rab Top Bag 2008: 476 g
Golite Shangri-La 3 with stakes: 750 g
Thermarest Ridge Rest cut for Top Bag: 202 g
SMD Serenity Net: 213 g
MLD 2-Thirds XP Quilt: 264 g

Total: 2.9 kg- 6.5 pounds/ 102 ounces

Used above tree line in the Pyrenees 3 season

This will go up when I get my Warmlite DAM, but I'm fine with the weight as I need the equipment for where I hike.

Raymond, sorry I should have been more specific on season. My setup is the only one I have for year round use on 4 plus days thru hiking/trekking. Less than that and I take my Ion. I don't even bother to weight it as its so light. I am a three season person. When winter hits I do my best to find spring in the southern hemisphere. I am just using the Lafuma as a test. At the end of the summer I will switch back to either an western Mountaineering or feathered friends 30 degree bag. The 30 covers everything and I can add and subtract clothing as needed. Ali

I go heavy on the pack. I carry a LuxuryLite frame and hipbelt with a converted GoLite Gust attached. I have yet to find a pack that weighs less than a kilo/2lbs that carries comfortably.

Summer trips:
Frame: 18oz
Hipbelt: 8oz
Gust: 9oz
WM POD 30 bag: 14oz
Half a Refuge-X (including stakes): 8oz
Torso sized Ridgerest: 4oz

total: 61oz, 3.8lbs or 1.7kg

For colder trips, pack stays the same, but swap the POD30 for a POD15 (750g/26oz), the ridgerest for a DAM (680g/24oz) and the Refuge-X for half a Nallo 2 (1kg/35oz).

120oz/7.5lbs/3.4kg

I can't imagine why stake weight wouldn't be included in shelter weight?

>I can't imagine why stake weight wouldn't be included in shelter weight?

There is only 1 logical reason:

That you don't use stakes at all.

"There is only 1 logical reason:

That you don't use stakes at all."

Then your stake weight would be zero. If you use stakes for your shelter, then surely you should count that weight as part of your shelter weight? Unless you use your spork, toothbrush, trekking poles and chopsticks as stakes, in which case I'm not sure which category you would attribute them too! Hmmm….a new gadget…titanium spake=spork on one end and sharpened stake on the other. And then there's the titanium handled toothstake…

CD Pro lite3 11oz
GG Mariposa plus 22.3oz
GG Nightlight 3.5oz
TT Rainshadow 2 42oz
REI Kilo flash 19oz

94.8
6.1 lbs

This is for me and the Mrs. The tarp tent is like a ballroom, it's heavy but we love it.The nightlight is my backpanel. I may or may not have included stake weights. I'll never tell mwahahahaha!!!

> Then your stake weight would be zero.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner!

6.48lbs:
ULA Ohm 21 oz
Slumberjack 30f bag 41 oz
¾ length CCF 11.25oz
DIY Speer-Type hammock ~20.8 oz
JRB 8×8 tarp 8.85 oz
Aluminum Stakes (2) .7oz

if i didnt have to pay for classes and books id have a nice quilt

OK if taking what I want (not something I have to test) here is my base

Summer/lowlands Spring/Fall/high altitude

Pack Exos 34 33 oz Exos 58 41.8 oz

Bag Phantom 32 22.8 oz BA Zirkel 34 oz

Shelter Seedhouse SL2 47 oz Seedhouse SL2 47 oz

Pad Neo Air reg. 14.5 oz BA IAC long 26.3 oz

Total 7.33 lb 9.32 lb

I will probably replace the bags with a GoLite Ultra 20 but have not used it yet.

Warbonnet BlackBird hammock 30.0

poncho rainfly and pitchkit 14.4

zpack Blast 32 6.6

hip belt with z pack pouches 2.3

Reflextic frame and insulation 8.8

3/8" pad for extra insulation 5.6

No Sniveller quilt 21.2

Total 88.9 oz.

Where I hike I need a kit that is comfortable down to freezing.

I could go lighter if I were willing to sleep on the ground… but.

Below is what I consider my standard 3-season "big 3+1 kit" with all the necessary accessories.

Z-PACKS Blast 18 with cuben raincover, 6.9oz

GoLite Adreniline +40 with BPL medium packliner, 23.1oz

SMD Gatewood Cape (including guylines and stakes) with TiGoat Bivy and Polycryo groundsheet, 21.45oz

3/8" GG CCF Pad cut to 35" length, 2.95oz

Total = 3.4 pounds.

Edit: White Mountains so wet climate down to roughly 32 degrees F.

Three season-temps 35 to 90 F (1.7 to 32 C) – includes stakes (2), hammock suspension, etc.

SMD – Essence Pack = 19 oz (539 g)
Hennesy Hammock – Adventure Racer = 21 oz (595 g)
Jacks-R-Better – Stealth underquilt = 15 oz (425 g)
Montbell – #3 sleeping bag = 21 oz (595 g)

Total = 76oz = 4 lb 12 oz = 2.15 kg

Recently relocated from the NE and changing things up for summer in the south, few things on
order, but here goes:

07 MLD Prophet, tricked out – 8oz
BPL UL 90 quilt with stuff sack – 13oz
MLD Serenity shelter – 8 oz
GG Spin solo tarp, seam seated & lines – 7 oz
Stakes – 1.4 oz
Prolite xsmall pad – 8oz
custom foam pad set up – full length – 5 oz

50.4 OZ
3,15 lbs