Titanium Water Bottles?

James:

Thanks! So it looks like Snow Peak is the way to go — but NOT Siggs — if one is concerned about plastic/epoxy lining.

Wonder if anyone knows whether BPL's Firelite mug/pot is lined or bare ti metal?

nm

Ben

BPL pots are NOT lined.

Josh:

Thanks! That's 2 for 2 (I own two pots: SP and Firelite).

Dicentra used to have a work partner when she was a ranger who would carry a glass jug.

Yeah……

Just do that.

And don't trip ;-)

Evernew finally got back to me:
Dear: James

Thank you for your inquiry.

Forgive me for taking me so long to reply.
We are getting 300 Email a day,,, right now….

Currently, we do not have Ti Water bottle but it is coming out soon.
I think 700ml and 1.0L will be availabe.

About your concern, Titanium bottles do not need any linoing inside because it is inert.
I does not smell bad after using with coffee, Tea, or even alcohol drink.

It works really good, but expensive,,,.

I will keeo you informed.
Thank you

EVERNEW AMERICA

Takashi Fukuchi
1410 Boyd Street
Los Angeles, CA 90033
TEL: 323-266-6212
FAX: 323-262-2089

Hello,

My friend runs a titanium tubing company, they make titanium tubings from all kinds of grading. They make titanium water bottles as well as barbecue/oxygen tanks. really great stuff, you guys should contact him.

Please contact Jeffery Tsai
jeff6.tsai@msa.hinet.net

"Currently, we do not have Ti Water bottle but it is coming out soon.
I think 700ml and 1.0L will be availabe."

Takashi,

Can you tell us how much they weigh?

Hey everyone…

This is my first post and I apologize if it comes off as commercial. It is a thread I think I can provide some insight on.

We are working on a 650mL titanium water bottle and I would love to get some feedback on the design. I have a prototype next to me and some pictures available. I don't want to make it too commercial so I'll save those for later.

Here are the specs so far:
Size: 650mL
Weight: 140g with loop cap
Size: 200mm Tall x 70mm in Diameter, the opening is 43mm in diameter

I am working to standardize the threads to fit other accessories already available for the stainless steel bottles out there.

Would love any feedback you can provide.

Thanks – Rob

Hi Jason!

I emailed your friend, but he never responded.

Thanks very much for all the information on this thread. I have tried to change my water storage habits the last few years. Basically, my preference, in order, is for:

1) Glass
2) Metal (Aluminum, Titanium, Steel)
3) Metal coated with Epoxy
4) Plastic that they haven't found problems with (Platypus, the very old Nalgene, the very new Nalgene)
5) The bad (BPA) Nalgene
6) Anything with a Teflon coating

I don't hike with glass, but I store my work/house water in glass jugs. I still have my old Nalgenes, but use them only in the winter (I'm cheap and don't feel like buying new ones). For hiking I use the Platypus. My list above is based on my understanding of the medical literature out there, and more importantly, my wife's interpretation of the literature (she is a medical professional who also does research). I balance my health concerns with the desire for lighter materials (and my aforementioned cheapness).

I very much appreciate this thread, because it is difficult to gather information from water bottle makers, since they are more interested in marketing, rather than giving folks the straight information and letting people make up their own mind.

Hi Rob,

I would certainly appreciate seeing the water bottle prototype you have. Please post pictures and any other information you have. You may well end up being first to market with this. (Although apparently Evernew has one in the pipe as well. . .)

Now, can I persuade you to make a titanium kelly kettle? :)

if your still looking these guys will be selling them sometime in the future.

http://www.exotac.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=191&zenid=07e95acf00d7701dbae1152d30f007f8

Rob from Exotac has a bottle on his web site:
http://www.exotac.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=191
and is taking preorders to gauge interest. It looks like the bottle will be available May 2010

$95. Ouch. Well, I guess that's about what it's going to be for something like this until production increases.

I was hoping they'd use the same threads as Sigg not Klean Kanteen — then perhaps some could be used for white gas tanks, depending on the needs of the individual.

HJ

It looks like Vargo is coming out with one soon. 4.6 oz, 800mL from their website

http://www.vargooutdoors.com/store/Vargo-Titanium-Series/c127/p1593/Titanium-Water-Bottle/product_info.html

$60 for a bottle. What would be the advantage of these over the stainless steel ones? Don't leave it somewhere, or you're really gonna be bummed.

MSR made a Ti bottle several years ago. I had a used one that was like a Sigg and unlined. It was okay, but nothing I would pay big dollars for. For the life of me, I can't remember the weight, but I do recall it wasn't all that light.

A wide mouth one would be good, one with the same thread size as a Nalgene would be great.

I bought a 1L bottle of Vodka on the way home from Spain two days ago. I don't drink Vodka, but the very thin aluminium bottle it came in looks promising…

With all the panic about bisphenol plastic containers, or plastic lined containers, it seems there is a rush on for other products.
Did a lot of reading about BPA when the panic started, and could find no evidence at all that the original Nalgene plastic bottles are implicated. The newer clear plastic Lexan ones, yes; but the older translucent ones, no.
(Some may even have thown out their harmless bottles for metallic ones that are lined with BPA material.)
If there is evidence, no doubt some ultra light hiking chemists will correct me. Would be interested.

The older Nalgene bottles, the translucent white ones, do not leach any chemicals and are in fact used in labs worldwide. According to Nalgene they are made of high density poly-ethylene, or HDPE, and as such as a resin identification code (RIC) of 2 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code). The "bad" bottle by Nalgene have a RIC of 7, indicating they are in the "Other" category. They also have the letters PC stamped under the code, meaning polycarbonate. Nalgene's new bottles are made of a copolyester, and therefore still have a RIC of 7.

For Nalgene's full position on BPA see: http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpaInfo.html.

Please note, I do not work for, or own stock in, either Nalgene or Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.

Hi everyone! I am most impressed of the sweet taste that titanium has. I have had them all. The old white nalgene. The new lexan ones. The platypus. The msr bladders And now I have the SS 'Kleen Canteeen'.
They all have flavor. And I can't stand the metalic taste in the SS bottles (stainless).
I just got back from guiding a 5 day raft trip and one person had Titanium water bottle. Don't remember what brand it was but he let me use it to filter water into and man I have to say it was like drinking out of glass , no imarted flavor. Just that factor alone made me want to go and buy one as soon as I got home. I called rei and campmore and they don't even know about them. I am surprised they are not redily available on the market.
Please don't respond about coated aluminum and SS bottles I already know about them we want titanium here period end of conversation. Thanks sorry for being blunt.

Hum. Water bottles:
Vargo Titanium 4.6 oz 0.80 L $60 environmental impact high
Fizzy drink PET 1.3 oz 1.25 L $00 environmental impact nil

Environmental impact of mining and smelting and forming titanium is obviously high.
The impact of REUSING a PET fizzy drink bottle is nil because the impact was entirely absorbed by the soft drink which came in it.

Strange idea of priorities.

Cheers

Well if using titanium products is all that bad then why not adress it at the beginning of the thread? So we have to stick with plastic only or SS or aluminum? What about the smelting and mining problem associated with Aluminum and Stainless steel?
Not to mention that most of modern backpacking gear and clothing is all petroleum based. Seems kind of persnikative to me.

http://kycy.en.alibaba.com/product/247535196-209669756/titanium_bottle_pot_camping_products_.html