Cocoon 2009 arrival?

I agree with the comment about getting hot in the Micropuff. I tend to run warm myself and I'm really looking for a cocoon replacement, not really an 'upgrade'.

Anyone for Thermawrap sizing?

-jim

I'm 5'8 and currently around 146 lbs. I'm between a small and a medium and it would depend on how much I would be wearing under it. I'm probably go medium to maximize my usage.

NanoPuff pullover will be available for order on the July 7th according to Patagonia's site. $150 and 9.4 oz (according to website assuming medium size?).

http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/mens-nano-puff-pullover?p=84020-0-696

Interesting! The Nano Puff seems like a very nice piece. However, from what I can see on the prolite website, the thermawrap jacket (no hood) is still lighter than the Nano. Whether it is warmer or not is yet to be seen I suppose. That being said, I really like the hood option on the thermawrap simply because of its better warmth/weight ratio.

-jim

The Nano Puff is likely warmer than the Thermawrap jacket by around 20%. The Thermawrap is lighter and has better features.

Montbell seems to fit me a bit smaller than Patagonia.

I have a Medium Thermawrap parka. It fits well. I'm between 5'7 and 5'8 and under 150 most of the time :) I don't think I could layer three thin layers underneath however.Probably a merino or capilene base and a 100 weight fleece would be ok.

The thermawrap is cut narrower in the hips than my micropuff. I also prefer the micropuff over the cocoon because it doesn't have an elasticized bottom hem. Those differences are personal preferences, but something to keep in mind.

Well, I went and bought the last Large Thermawrap Parka on ProLite (apologies to those of the same size). I went up a size because I knew that my Montbell wind shirt was a bit tight in the chest and also because of the advice here on BPL. To those looking for a Cocoon alternative, I recommend going to ProLite because of the 20% off right now! Thanks to all those who helped me out! Now back to the Cocoon wait…

-jim

If Patagonia is true to their history it won't be long until they offer the nanopuff with hood…that said you made a great choice with the Thermawrap Parka. I also carry the Thermawrap Vest-when coupled together the range is very impressive especially with a merino hoody underneath all and an Ion shell on top.

I see the new Cocoon range has gone on sale with the hoody and trousers now available.

It doesn't give any specification on either the type nor weight of insulation. Does anyone know, or are BPL able to update the spec?

From what I understand it's a proprietary insulation made to Ryan's spec. I believe it's Primaloft based but don't hold me to that.

The insulation being used in our 2010/11 Cocoon Clothing and Insulated Quilt is a proprietary, continuous-filament fabric designed by Backpacking Light CEO and fabric specialist, Ryan Jordan. The quilt has a CLO value of 7.4 and the Cocoon Clothing a CLO of 2.5

OK, so what is the lofting durability of thie proprietary syn. BPL insulation after a hundred stuffings?

INITIAL CLO ratings are one thing. CLO ratings after 100 stuff sac trips are quite another. That's exactly why I don't like Primaloft and DO like Climashield.

Eric, if you want durability after a hundred stuffings you should go with goose down. The synthetic technology has simply not reached that level of durability yet.

If I had to compare the BPL proprietary fabric to a commercially available brand name one I would say look at Polarguard Delta to get some ideas.

We are very proud of what we've manufactured and stand by it for warmth and durability, but it is still only within the limits of what synthetic insulation is capable of at this time.

The quilt has a CLO value of 7.4

The quilt's 240 grams/meter^2 is just short of 7.1oz/yard^2 and 7.4 CLO works out to just a hair over 1 CLO/oz/yd^2.

That's 27% warmer per oz than Climashield XP, a very impressive boost!

"The quilt has a CLO value of 7.4

The quilt's 240 grams/meter^2 is just short of 7.1oz/yard^2 and 7.4 CLO works out to just a hair over 1 CLO/oz/yd^2.

First the disclaimer.
I am not an expert in any way at all. I do not even play one on TV.

I thought 240 grams/meter converted to about 8.3 oz per yard. which would equal about a clo of .84 CLO/oz/yd2.

Nope it is short of 7.1oz/yard^2

see http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&client=opera&hs=t9D&rls=en&q=240+g%2Fm%5E2+in+oz%2Fyard%5E2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

so it really is about 1 clo/oz/yard^2

Cool. That is some really good stuff in the Quilt.
Is it the same stuff in the Hoody and pants?
Whats the weight of the long Quilt?
Thanks Jeff
PS. Glad I had the disclaimer.

Yes, it is the same insulation in the garments. The garments use an 80g derivative though.

I don't know the weight of the long quilt. Perhaps Sam can weigh one.

Sam,
I have another quick Question.
Does the Hoody and the pants have the same fit as the older style of cocoon Hoody.

Fit is the same. I had to check on that one myself before I put my order in.

Confirmed: Old and new hoody fit is same on me.

EDIT: 10 oz for Large

24.6 oz measured weight for mine

EDIT: including the 1 oz stuff sack

We kept with the same sizing as the previous Cocoon items. The biggest change was in the design and sourcing of the new insulation (Ryan is a major fabrics geek).