Nov 6, 2007 at 5:19 pm #1225732
@dufus934Locale: North Texas
So…I stepped on my camera and broke the screen…..long story.
That being said, I am in the market for a new camera, and was wondering from some of these photo gurus what is the best camera for outdoor pics. Obviously price is an issue (i'm in college), but other than that i just want something that will take good pics.
I am an amature photographer (very amature…haha), and I want something small and durable. I've heard about a new camera that is water and shockproof (made by olympus i think). Has anyone had experience with this.Nov 6, 2007 at 9:04 pm #1408123
@djohnsonLocale: Washington State
I have a Canon Powershot SD 850 IS and it is great. Excellent video, image stabilization, and great shots. 5.8 oz. I really like this camera a lot.
The Pentax Optio series is also excellent. Their WP is also waterproof- a real bonus.
Now, I have a follow up question. What is the lightest digital camera? I'm doing a crazy trip this coming summer and I'm trying to get my pack weight as low as possible, but I also need good images because the trip will be posted here on the site.
So now there are two questions:
1) What is the best hiking camera?
2) What is the lightest digital that still takes decent shots?
DougNov 6, 2007 at 11:53 pm #1408133
@andrew_browneLocale: Mornington Peninsula AUSTRALIA
My vote is the Pentax Optio, 4.5oz on my scales
I am more than happy with the photos I take.
Your hands need to be very still with close up shots….hard to do when you've just walked up a steep incline and are heaving for breath
The only problem I have with it is I take high resolution 7M recorded pixel shots, these are not suitable to email and I don't know how to edit them to a lower resolution after the shot. If I know I'll be emailing them I set the camera to a lower 640/1024 pixels prior to the shot
Still have not used the movie mode
AndrewNov 7, 2007 at 2:46 am #1408140
Shahrin Bin ShariffMember
@zzmelayuLocale: In the shadow of Table Mountain
Like Doug, I have the 6.1oz Canon IXUS 860IS with image stabilization, Auto ISO, max ISO3200, zoom, macro, panorama stitching, easy-access manual controls for WB, …almost everything I find on my Nikon dSLR except the 200mm zoom.
I used to have the first Casio EXILIM model (~4oz) and the Nikon Coolpix 5600 (~5oz). They were great but they all lack the control features that I NEED. Also their image quality is nothing close to the Canon IXUS/SD. YMMV. Anyway I lost/misplaced them both becoz they are so small and light.
I shoot at 5 Megapixel even though the Canon is 8MP.
>So now there are two questions:
>1) What is the best hiking camera?
>2) What is the lightest digital that still takes decent shots?
Doug, visit Ken Rockwell for his thoughts on "Why Your Camera Does Not Matter"
He is an engineer-turned-professional photographer who reached photography nirvana and transcended the marketing hype of equipment into the realm of artistic images. He reviewed 2 LW cameras.
I use Rockwell site for technical justification, and decide weight vs features I need to create a good image.
Hope this helpsNov 7, 2007 at 5:25 am #1408146
Shahrin Bin ShariffMember
@zzmelayuLocale: In the shadow of Table Mountain
>The only problem I have with it is I take high resolution 7M recorded pixel shots, these are not suitable to email and I don't know how to edit them to a lower resolution after the shot. If I know I'll be emailing them I set the camera to a lower 640/1024 pixels prior to the shot
I downloaded a freeware called Picasa2 from Google and have been using it for 2 years.
It is a great software to manage your digital images. There is a feature where you can view your 2MBytes 7MPixel masterpiece and export/email it as a pixel-reduced (many options 160/320/480/640/800/1024pixel) image within 2 clicks. You can set it up to use GMAIL or OUTLOOK or even its own PICASA_MAIL. It has some neat features: basic "photoshopping" or image manipulation, setup on-line web album, direct blogging, & exporting (converting) images into smaller pixels.
This means you can capture all your images in 7MP and do the conversion later.
Give it a try. Its free.
>Your hands need to be very still with close up shots….hard to do when you've just walked up a steep incline and are heaving for breath
I cannot live with a camera without image stabilization (IS). The compacts these days are so small and so light that any movement will result in blurred pix. The simple action of squeezing the trigger can result in blurred images! Canon has IS and Nikon has VR (vibration reduction) in their $1000 lenses. Lucky for us, they provide this sophisticated feature in their compact cameras. This is the feature most important for me. YMMV.Nov 7, 2007 at 5:36 am #1408150
@robdevLocale: Pittsburgh, PA
I got the Olympus Stylus 770 SW. I'll double check the weight when I get home, but I think it is 5 or 6 oz.
I like it for outdoor activity because it is waterproof and shockproof. I've been on shallow scuba dives with it and I've been happy with that. I've taken it kayaking as well. I haven't tested the shockproof part, but in theory you can drop it 5 feet or have 200 lbs of pressure on it. Overall it's nice to have a camera that I'm not worried about getting wet or dropping (or falling on if the trail is slick).
There are a few drawbacks, the first is the price. It is rather expensive. I also find the menu system frustrating. It is annoying to change modes quickly, so I normally keep it in pure auto and don't bother with modes unless I have a bit of time. The lack of manual focus makes it difficult to get macro shots.Nov 7, 2007 at 8:22 am #1408163
@sharaldsLocale: Gallatin Range
I highly recommend products in Canon's Powershot line. I have their Powershot SD400, battery, bag (home made), charger and all it all weighs in at 5.72.Nov 7, 2007 at 8:35 am #1408165
@pivvayLocale: Rocky Mountains
I have a cannon. I like it a lot but they're not the most durable to dropping. i'll probably get the one mentioned above that's shock proof next time. My buddy has it and he likes it. I already broke my cannon once from a drop although it's survived a couple more without major damage. I know "don't drop it" but it's just a fact of life. It gets carted up and down mountains, mountain biking, running, hiking, hanging from tents at races etc. It's going to get dropped now and then.Nov 7, 2007 at 9:51 am #1408175
@halfturboLocale: Northernish California
* I am a klutz, so want a camera that's waterproof and ruggedized: Look at Oly and Pentax waterproof and ruggedized models, they have several to choose among.
* I want absolutely the smallest, lightest camera possible. Casio and Sony seem to have the edge here, although numerous cameras from numerous companies are in the 5-6 ounce range. Pore over the reviews to avoid selecting a dog, of which there is an enormous pack.
Neither scenario is likely to get you a viewfinder, a wide angle lens, RAW imaging. I need a viewfinder and a wide angle lens, and prefer a RAW option, especially if the camera has overly aggressive jpeg noise reduction. Insist on all three and the list of compact digicams goes from easily five hundred models to a literal handful. Best-of-show at present is the Ricoh GX100. Expensive and not widely distributed, its capabilities are unmatched. As much as I'd like to recommend the lovely Canon G-9, its lack of WA rules it out for my uses. For the prime lens aficionado, the forthcoming Ricoh GRD II looks as though it's answered most of the criticisms of the current GRD.
The dwindling "prosumer" digicam marketplace has shed the serious slr contenders for over-megapixeled overreaching superzooms. Still, they have electronic viewfinders and image stabilization, some have wide angle lenses, and a few still offer RAW. But they're not the least bit pocketable nor weather-resistant.Nov 7, 2007 at 2:51 pm #1408207
@robdevLocale: Pittsburgh, PA
The 770SW is 6 oz (with memory card and battery included).
If you don't plan on diving, get the 720SW instead. It's less expensive since it is only waterproof to 10 feet. The price on them may go down since they just released an upgrade, the 790SW.
From what I have heard, the Pentax waterproof cameras are better, but they didn't suit me (10 feet waterproof, I wanted 30). I think they're cheaper too. I have no idea about shock resistance.Nov 15, 2007 at 1:10 pm #1409238
It can take a beating. I had placed mine in a stuff sack with some clothing to protect it from freezing over-night. Without thinking I picked up the bag and tossed it across an AT shelter. I heard a loud thump when the camera landed on the wood floor. Pulled it out and shot several pictures.
I guess its kind of like a Timex.Dec 1, 2007 at 4:15 pm #1410958
@terraLocale: Sydney, Australia.
Cameras upgrade and evolve so fast it would be great to keep this thread alive in the search for LIGHT cameras which perform well for hiking/outdoor photography.
A wide angle is important for me although I hadn't thought of image stablisation, this would certainly help.
I had a light hiking camera question:
But as my question was similar to this thread its best keep it all going here.Apr 2, 2008 at 12:32 am #1426662
I see no one has responded to this post recently. I am now looking for a small lightweight camera. I take a picture of every night I am not at home. This adds up to a lot of pictures of tents in the middle of nowhere as well as fancy hotels when I am on a businesss trip or fancy vacation. I have a Cannon that weighs 8 ons but I'd love to get to 4ons if possible. I am not too worried about the features, the weight is more important to me. Any new ideas out there?Apr 3, 2008 at 5:37 pm #1426996
$234 on Amazon, $239 at BJ's as of 4/2/08Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 pm #1427218
I also have the Powershot SD850 IS and get great photos from it. I took it canoeing to Canada last summer and used a Otter case for it and it did great, even with rain most days and lots and lots of water around. I neglected to latch the case one day and the LCD screen got wet, but it dried out after a few days, and never stopped taking great pictures. I take it on all backpacking and hiking trips and it now fits great in a Lowepro case. IMHO, I'd say it's worth a few extra ounces for the picture quality and features.Apr 4, 2008 at 10:49 pm #1427228
I recently bought a Canon A720IS and I love it, although at 8.8 ozs with batteries, it is heavier than what you are looking for. It's features are as follows: 8MP, 6x lens(35-210 35mm equivilent), stabilized lens, 2 AA batteries, optical viewfinder, internet price approx. $170. It fits in a Tamrac #5691 case perfectly with space for extra batteries and card. I use Sanyo Eneloop "low discharge" NiMh AA batteries; they don't cost much more than regular NiMh batteries and supposedly they keep their charge longer.Apr 5, 2008 at 8:14 pm #1427333
Just bought one for $212 at Dell.com I guess they are related. No tax, no shippingApr 11, 2008 at 2:01 pm #1428193
At the link is one man's ideas about cameras in the outdoors – the mountains, to be specific. His criteria are shaded towards getting good photographs, rather than shaving every gram, but this blog should be interesting to readers of this forum.
I recently started using the Ricoh Caplio GX100 for it's unique combination of what are essentials for my backpacking: viewfinder, battery flexibility, wide-angle zoom lens (24-72mm equivalent), DNG RAW files.Apr 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm #1428213
Great link Robert.
I would add to those three, the Fuji F31 (pretty much the same as the F30) and the Panasonic FX35/36.
The Pana picks up less detail than the Ricoh but has even less linear distortion and is smaller and cheaper.
If I could slot the Fuji sensor inside the Ricoh, I would be a happy snapping camper.
FrancoApr 11, 2008 at 4:35 pm #1428219
I just received the dp1 2 days ago and think it should be the perfect backpacking camera. I had considered the ricoh gx100 but the noise was too much. Some people like the noise and I've seen it used to nice effect in b&w street shoots. But for landscape, I wanted something cleaner.
That was a nice summary and I'm sure there will be numerous other glitches besides the green corners, found in the dp1. After all this is version 1.0 of a brand new product category so that's to be expected. We'll see how effectively sigma resolves them.
Still at 10 oz it's a whole lot easier to carry than my d200. I think the dp1 will be the go to choose of those who would really want to carry a dSLR but just can't shoulder the weight in all situations. If you're coming from p&s land than it's less than obvious user interface (I needed to RTM), some what slugish response (3 seconds between shots with fast card) and various limitations will be annoying especially given the price.
BTW you can select 1 of 9 different auto focus points, but it's buried several levels down in a menu. Given there is a dedicated exposure lock button it's much easier to put the subject in the center lock exposure then reframe as desired.Apr 11, 2008 at 4:35 pm #1428220
@marti124Locale: Moderator-JohnMuirTrail Yahoo Group
Of the cameras reviewed at the link, Robert provided at http://www.mountainphotographer.com/ultimate-compact-camera/ and the two Franco mentions, which of them is the lightest that can do the widest angle shots? Which of them share being able to do the same wide angle shots?
ThanksApr 11, 2008 at 7:40 pm #1428240
Congratulations, the DP1 does indeed have cleaner images, however I have fallen in love again with an even wider view.
my choice would have been a lot easier if I had never tested the Sigma.
Anyway, GREEN CORNERS, goodness you are so yesterday…
here is the fix
one new feature that I like (and use) is the grid line. That fix above also adds them to the many options already "buried" inside the menu.
FrancoApr 11, 2008 at 9:10 pm #1428247
Thanks Franco. It's certainly a fun new toy. Yes, I've already got the green fix. It was also mentioned in the article above. I was just trying to caution any that would consider the dp1 that there have been and will likely be more problems with this evolutionary camera.
Yes I would like a wider angle, and a zoom and an F1.4, and 4 fps. When I carried the d200 I used the 18-200 lens and a 12 -24. Most of the time I left the 12-24 on the camera. I loved having the super wide angle shooting.
I describe the dp1 as having a manual zoom. If one wants a wider angle than back up. Close ups? No problem, walk closer up.
In any case one has to pick the priorities. For me it was light weight and great IQ. The dp1 is the best option out there to meet those requirements.Apr 12, 2008 at 7:35 am #1428277
@thangfishLocale: S. Central NC, USA
This is what I use and have been very happy with it. Not as wide angle as I would like, however.
Waterproof and weight includes battery and card installed.
About 7.1oz or so without strap.Apr 12, 2008 at 7:44 am #1428280
@back2basicsLocale: Southeast USA
7.2oz? You'd laugh if I told you how excited I was to finally get a tripod that weighs "only" 2.5 pounds.
Do you ever find yourself missing shots because of tripod limitations of the Joby? If so, what are they? I have yet to try one, and have been reluctant to do so.
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