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  • #3760045
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    My buddy Porter and I are starting to make packs. Some specs may change as we go along, but check it out: https://www.virgapacking.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCBPir3doxI

     

    #3760055
    Michael Schlesselmann
    BPL Member

    @mschless

    Locale: Southern Los Padres National Forest

    Been following along on IG. Really cool pack! Couldn’t really tell, but do the side pockets go all the way down to the bottom of the “orange” panel? Also would there be a way to rig up load lifters using the upper attachment point? Or do you really find them unnecessary? Maybe its just my fear of not having them.

    #3760060
    George W
    BPL Member

    @ondarvr

    It’s always nice to see new ideas for products being introduced to the market.

    And I always fully support small businesses that are dedicated to making a better product for an activity they love.

    #3760100
    Alex Wallace
    BPL Member

    @feetfirst

    Locale: Sierra Nevada North

    Looks good. I especially like that the shoulder straps are designed and attached in a way that promotes articulation. I also really like the hipbelt structure, attachment, and independent dual buckles. I look forward to seeing this come to market.

    #3760101
    Michael Schlesselmann
    BPL Member

    @mschless

    Locale: Southern Los Padres National Forest

    Someone on Reddit brought up the concern about all of the loads being supported on single plastic clips. Ben, any durability concerns with this? Seems like it would be a really easy field repair if you just carried one or two extra for basically no weight penalty.

    #3760103
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    Michael:

    • Yes the side pockets go all the way down to the bottom of the alpenglow or salmon or sandstone color.
    • The two shoulder strap settings are 1.5″ apart so it wouldn’t provide you a lot of loadlifter range. But we’re wondering if one person between sizes could actually use the lower setting for lower weights and the upper setting for higher weights. This is yet to be seen but it’s something to ponder and test.
    • I really wish I would have talked about those plastic clips in the video but I forgot.We are not planning on using the plastic buckles for shoulder straps or hip belt. Porter tested by attaching a shoulder strap to the ceiling and dangling his whole body weight on it and it did not pop open. So strength seems ok. The issue though is that it squeaks when you walk. We ordered aluminum clips which should be stronger and won’t squeak.
    • could you link me to the reddit thread?

    George: Thanks!

    Alex: Thanks! The hipbelt feels perfect. Stiff but comfortable. The shoulder straps need a little work. I’m finding I want the tabs to attach at a 15 degree angle to articulate even better. The next iteration will have that feature.

    #3760115
    Alex Wallace
    BPL Member

    @feetfirst

    Locale: Sierra Nevada North

    CiloGear attaches their shoulder straps in a similar fashion, using a doubled up strip of webbing attached at a slight angle, and it works great. Especially nice when scrambling.

    #3760128
    Chris K
    BPL Member

    @cmkannen-2-2

    I agree, the shoulder straps are attached that way on the Bears Ears 50 and work really well.

    Ben, can you share the circumference of the pack?

    I like how the hipbelt pulls are on the padding, not centered. But I do wonder how the squared-off ends don’t dig into your abdomen, despite the dual adjustment. I suppose that’s not an issue?

    Anyway, excellent work. Can’t wait to try and buy one :)

    #3760143
    Greg Pehrson
    BPL Member

    @gregpehrson

    Locale: playa del caballo blanco

    Ben, the pack looks great–I love how the sandstone color evokes the SW US; it’s really striking. It’s the first time I’m hearing about an I-beam frame, too–neat.

    I’m very glad to hear the plastic clips (“Slik-Clips”) won’t be used. While I find them plenty strong when closed, they can be extremely fragile when you open them (to move the piece they make modular). I’m very careful with gear and I broke three in a matter of minutes on some modular pockets, just by trying to slide the open bar out from its webbing loop. Then it’s tricky to remove them because they’re sewn in on the other side–I had to saw them off, which isn’t very field-friendly. Now I only use the Slik Clips that can be opened from both sides, and in low-stakes locations. Aluminum clips on the shoulder straps and belt  sound like a very smart choice.

    Best of luck with this adventure!

    #3760144
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    Chris – I’ll have to get back to you on the circumference. I’m not sure yet

    Greg – Thanks, yeah I like the sandstone too. I-beam seems like a good way to prevent hip belt collapse or slippage while also maintaining the overall shape of the pack. no barrelling at all. Yeah the slik clips were just for prototypes. I should add that into the video so people understand we won’t be using them

    #3760148
    Chris L
    BPL Member

    @thechrislundy

    Locale: Idaho

    I’ve used plastic gatekeepers to attach shoulder straps in the same fashion as in this pack. This is the one I’ve used from Mozet Supplies:

    I’ve done some testing and they are very strong when clipped. If I remember correctly, I’m not sure I was able to break it. And they are replaceable since they aren’t sewn in. I also use aluminum gatekeepers as they are more aesthetic, but I’m not sure they’re stronger. The ones I use are sewn into the shoulder straps, and would be less easy to replace if they did break.

    #3760164
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    We’ve looked at those Mozet ones and they seem like a good option too. Do they squeak at all?

    #3760207
    bjc
    BPL Member

    @bj-clark-2-2

    Locale: Colorado

    Looking forward to getting my body attached to one of these when they become available.

    #3760223
    Chris L
    BPL Member

    @thechrislundy

    Locale: Idaho

    Ben – I haven’t noticed any squeaking with the Mozet gatekeepers.

    #3760367
    Alex Wallace
    BPL Member

    @feetfirst

    Locale: Sierra Nevada North

    Are you settled on the idea of using hardware to attach the shoulder straps? Is this so the shoulder straps can be more easily swapped (e.g. worn out, sizing, styles)?

    #3760465
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    BJC – Yay!

    Chris L – cool

    Alex – not necessarily. If it doesn’t work out we’ll scrap it. But yes it’s primarily for sizing. We’re creating a design that can accommodate not just different torso heights but also different shoulder widths. That’s been an issue many of my friends have had with fixed shoulder width packs — either they’re too narrow for big people and dig into the trapezius or they’re too wide for narrow people and they press on the shoulder ball area. Hoping to solve that. But if it’s weird we won’t do it. Bottom line we have to release something that we 100% love

    #3760468
    nunatak
    BPL Member

    @roamer

    Very nice aesthetics!

    There’s one center frame right? Is it your thought that may not make load lifters worth it?

    Will the hip belt connect to the frame via a transverse bar? Or rely on packed structure to transfer the load? Or something else?

    #3760484
    Ben Kilbourne
    BPL Member

    @benkilbourne

    Locale: Utah

    Nunatak – Thanks for the aesthetic compliment! One center stay, yes. Yeah, we’re hoping to make a pack that just sort of nails that 35lb load category. And I think we can accomplish it without loadlifters. The trick is making the shoulder straps amazing, which we have yet to do. But we’re almost there. I think transverse is the right way to describe what’s going on. The single center vertical stay interfaces a horizontal stay at the bottom and the hip belt connects directly to it. So far it’s our favorite feature of the pack. super effective and comfortable

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