Toaks To Release A Cannister Stove…

Improved … possibly. But I’m perfectly happy with the cheapo version at half the price and weight.

To be fair, I prefer an alcohol stove, but the BRS is a satisfactory backup during fire bans.

Interesting…says available at Toaks, REI and Amazon, but I don’t find it.

Regardless, it’s going to take a mightily impressive stove to get me off the Soto Windmaster.

I don’t get the appeal of brs3000 style stoves. The Windmaster / PRD are so great for a 1-1.5oz penalty, its nearly impossible to improve on them.

Jon’s testing shows a regulated stove, with concave burner of wide diameter, with a short gap-to-pot distance performs best.

Sot0 windm@ster for life.

But competition is good and this appears to be an improvement of the brs for a modest price bump from a reputable brand. I can see it’s place in the Market.

looking forward to it’s actual consumption – all those detailed numbers on measurements and weight but “fuel efficiency a real highlight I might not expect”??

I don’t get the appeal of brs3000 style stoves.

The Toaks burner head is more comparable to the PRD or WM than the BRS.

I agree, I’ve never seen the appeal of the BRS3000 – I have both the PRD and Windmaster (I slightly prefer the PRD) – but while being a direct competitor, the Toaks looks to be something slightl;y different than the BRS.

Time will tell…

Nobody would claim that it’s sophisticated or high quality, but I think the appeal of the BRS3000 is simple and obvious: size, weight, and price … for those of us who find it to be totally adequate to our needs. If you prefer to spend an extra $50-$60 for a better (and slightly heavier) stove, I totally get it.

It’s the perennial BPL debate.  HYOH.

@bradmacmt – curious as to what it is about the PRD that causes you to prefer it over the WM?

Also, I agree, this Toaks stove appears to be BRS-adjacent, but different enough to possibly be attractive to some.

@jch the Pocket Rocket Deluxe can use my MYOG Ti windscreen, the Soto Windmaster can’t. In side by side tests, I’ve found my individual PRD uses a tiny bit less fuel the the WM. I know this goes against what others have stated, however I can say it’s true for these two individual stove examples. The Soto wins on the weight front however, and if I’m not using my 1oz Ti windscreen, I’ll always use the Soto. It’s a really fine stove no doubt, and works well matched with the modified Petrel G3 pot.

Now available: https://www.toaksoutdoor.com/products/stv-21

I’ve got one coming…

Available for a minute anyway- it’s already sold out!

It will be interesting to hear some reviews. I wonder how it stacks up against the Soto Amicus performance wise.  They are  roughly the same packed size but the Toaks is  about an ounce lighter and also considerably cheaper .The Amicus has  the 4 pot supports while the Toaks has just three.

Nice looking stove, very solid.

But I am puzzled about the valve. The 1st URL/article said “The best aluminum alloy valve we could source weighs 18.5 grams”. The valve on my V7 weighs 3.5 g complete with the carbon fibre handle. What went wrong here?

Maybe what was meant was not ‘valve’ but ‘stove base’? I gather from the article that it was bought-in as a unit. The BRS-3000T stove base weighs 14.5 g, with brass valve, steel wire handle, O-rings and brass jet. Lighter, but not by all that much.

Ideas anyone?

Cheers

Here is my review of the new TOAKS Titanium Backpacking stove.

My overall impressions:

Visually, the TOAKS Titanium Backpacking stove is a nice design in the that the construction is well thought out and assembly is streamlined to minimize parts/cost.

Functionally – meh. The TOAKS Titanium stove is about on par with the BRS 3000t and in some situations maybe not as good. Below is a performance curve using 2 different pot diameters: not the differences between a 150 mm pot and a 95 mm mug. Also attached is pictures of the stove in calm, 2 mph, 4 mph and 8 mph winds. The TOAKS Titanium stove wind performance would dramatically improve with a well designed windscreen.

Overall, I do hope that the next generation will see some performance improvements. TOAKS has the manufacturing capabilities, they just need to improve on the functionality. My 2 cents.

it looks taller than a BRS3000

I’ve always wondered if that’s a problem with BRS3000.  It’s shorter so the valve gets hotter.  Which might cause problems.

The BRS 3000t had a few start-up problems (arm supports, cleanliness/clogging). But is you have one and it works; it is probably fine. There have been reported cases of problems art altitude, but I see no physics that would support that. The two issues that I have experienced is the stove body getting hot and these occurred in two conditions. A) boiling a large volume of water; like over a liter and B) long, low simmer times. The last one was surprising to me. I was dry baking at a very low simmer rate for about 40 minutes, and you could not touch the stove body. It was at least 150-160 F minimum My 2 cents.

I have used a BRS3000 a few times and it was fine.  I leave it in my bag at my car and could use it as a backup.

Yeah, it seems like the stove body gets very hot.  Which might be because it’s short – the distance between the flame and the valve and canister is less.

Maybe this doesn’t matter.

I don’t often use a stove even on longer hikes, and I don’t do much in the winter anymore, so finding the smallest and lowest cost stove that is adequate is fine, so I carry the BRS.

Hi Jon

Yes, the stove looks well-engineered mechanically, but my own (probably biased) opinion is that the ‘combustion’ design is very poor when it comes to actual operation. I will explain.

Your photo of the Toaks in an 8 mph rather frightens me. The photo sequence suggests that at 10 mph the flame bending down on the left would reach the air inlet, which could result in the gas stream inside catching alight. If it did, the whole stove would glow bright red within 10 – 15 seconds. The titanium won’t melt in a propane flame, but I am sure ‘very bad things’ could happen. And yes, I have seen this happen (once) with a Chinese copy of an MSR stove: the whole top glowed bright red. Same problem. The mfr was told and I think the stove was withdrawn.

I think (no proof) that the shape of the burner head and especially the tube around the flame actually cause the deflection of the flame. A good analogy would be the way a wind curls around the corner of a building, creating a vortex behind it. Stoves with a flat top and no such surrounding tube (the BRS-3000T is a good example) do not have this problem.

The pictures taken at various wind speeds also concern me. At lower wind speeds they show a pot support glowing bright red. That is just as dangerous: with any significant weight in the pot the arm could/would bend, spilling the pot of near boiling water. Chaos would ensue.The near-boiling water is an obvious hazard, but the chaos could also result in the stove being knocked over, with a consequent fire hazard.

The problem is a classic one: the pot support arms are far too close to the flame. By way of comparison, the pot supports on the BRS-3000T are designed to stay well out of the way of the flames. Many other commercial stoves are similar, with the pot supports deliberately avoiding the flames. Even my remote inverted canister stoves have the pot supports starting way outside the flames and just the tips poking inwards. If the tips of the pot supports get red hot there is little risk.

Not so good. But just my humble opinion.

Cheers

Thanks Jon, excellent work as usual!

I received the Toaks this week, but haven’t fired it up. I just played around with it thinking about a way to make a simple windscreen from a Snowpeak Ti bowl (something like I did with the PRD). I couldn’t come up with anything in that same design vein, despite playing around with it (see below). Since I haven’t used it and since your review, I’m going to pack it up and send it back.

At this point, for .55 oz more, the regulated Soto Windmaster seems like a far better choice, and if I’m going with an unregulated, poor performing stove, might as well stick with the lighter/cheaper BRS-3000T lol.

Edit – I ultimately did come up with a design which, instead of dropping down from the top, is “loaded” from below and twists and locks into place. It works. But again @ 8g’s fuel for a nearly 6 minute boil time, I think I’ll pass.