Tarptent Scarp 2, MSR Hubba Hubba or Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2

Both MSR and Big Agnes give 1200mm as the waterhead for those tents .
Richard Nisley has reported a 3000mm plus rating for the fabric supplied by TT for testing, we have used a similar rated fabric for a few years now.
Some confuse condensation dislodged from the underside of the fabric with penetration.
A “solid” inner would eliminate that problem if it is your worry.
franco@tarptent
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If I get the solid interiors and mesh does that mean they are entirely separate pieces and I could just clip in the mesh with floor for 3 seasons and then clip in the solid with floor for winter?  Wouldn’t the mesh be better for high humidity environments as it would allow better airflow? I would think the solid would be worse for humid places(condensation).

Yes you can use either inner under the fly, obviously not both at the same time.

Takes me about 1 minute to take one off and about the same  to place the other.

it will take me a bit longer when I get old.
The TT white fabric is water resistant (drip proof) but it (according to some user comparisons) breathes better than some solid inners offered by other brands.
It is noticeably warmer inside the solid version but the fly itself has several ventilation options that can be used under rain too.
Two end vents, two top vents and adjustable “vent” at each pole end.

if its warm and humid a solid inner may actually end up worse than a mesh inner

while the solid inner might protect you from windblown rain and condensation splash from the fly … if its warm and humid the internal condensation (you) can collect on the inner rather than just passing through to the outer fly in the case of mesh …

the cutoff point i find is around 40F in the rainy PNW … above that bring the mesh, no question … below that either use the solid inner or just the fly itself (not many bugs at that temp)

a solid inner will easily add 10F+ to the interior temps …

the other question to ask is do you really need a scarp? … it seems like a pretty serious tent

any good tent should be able to deal with rain for days …

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I would prefer to have a tent that can handle just about anything mother nature could throw at me, I intend on using this for serious thru hiking in the future.  I don’t mind the weight, it isn’t heavy.  I’d rather have more than enough protection than not enough.  I understand that site selection plays a role in protection but I like a little more protection than some ultralighters use.

Three great tents – I have a Tarptent Notch that I’m really happy with.

You didn’t give an age, and I assume you are looking to be as light as possible while still staying dry.  I’ll just share that when my son joined scouts and started carrying some of his own gear, setting up his own tent, and being generally responsible for it, I started looking for gear that was more durable vs light.

He has an REI quarter dome I got him on clearance/coupon.  It takes abuse, and wasn’t too expensive.  Once I saw him and his friends handling their gear, setting up, tearing down, horsing around (always), I knew whatever he had should take the abuse, or be reasonably replaceable if damaged beyond repair.  He’s 14 now, and I’d like to think one of the more conscientious scouts in his patrol (at least when I’m around), but it will be awhile before he gets any new ultralight high-end gear.  Maybe when he’s able to afford it for himself?

When you are carrying the gear for the entire family it’s a different story.  BTW…when it’s just the two of us, we use hammocks whenever we can – and he’s been sleeping in his own hammock since about 9 years old.  He prefers to buddy up in his tent with the scouts, and sometimes we don’t have an option (e.g. the desert).

He’s 7. I also have a hammock setup that I use for myself and no he won’t be packing much or using the tarptent by himself.  For a long time it’ll just be father and son trips.  Thanks for the advice.

I’d add the Sierra Designs Lightning and Flashlight to your list.

Scarp user from the PNW here.  I dont get leaks.  Not enough to be noticed, anyway.  Being able to set the fly up is the best!!  I have the mesh inner but never use it (no bugs really)  I have not used the solid inner but have been wanting to get it for a few years now.  …just haven’t.  I bet it would possibly be too warm of a tent in the SE (I used to live in MS)

Maybe look at the Double Moment?  Its all the pros of the Scarp but waaay bigger vents on the ends.  The Crossing pole, and both inners if you actually want to go in the winters would be advised.  That cold wet wind sucks bad with the mesh or no inner.  Taxes your sleeping system with dampness and like the PNW you may not get any chance to dry out.  (wet days, and not able to generate enough heat in the tent to crate drying action without the solid inner… longer trips makes it harder)