Feb 23, 2021 at 10:25 am #3701093
@bradmacmt – the stays actually insert from the bottom on the outside of the package. This is a great idea because it allows the inside to be more easily seam taped.Feb 25, 2021 at 12:22 pm #3701400Thomas WBPL Member
Pet approved! Thanks for the photos Ben! The interface looks pretty solid, how does it compare at the other end for the load lifters? Any issues feeling the tri glide or other hardware through the hipbelt?Feb 25, 2021 at 12:46 pm #3701416
Nothing noteworthy on the load lifter end. It works and is solid.
I can’t feel the hardware through the belt.
BTW the whole thing is seam taped and fully waterproof in this DCF version. Other fabrics might be different obviously, but this is a cool option.Mar 29, 2021 at 11:18 am #3706805
The pack has undergone some changes and is on its way back to me. The hip belt has changed and is now even lighter. Likely the pack will come in closer to 38oz but we’ll see. I’ll give it another try and post an update.Mar 30, 2021 at 10:58 am #3706996Erik GBPL Member
@fox212Locale: Central Coast
Looks like a great pack with a very intelligent frame/hip belt and feature set. Love the steeply slanted side pockets as well.
Can someone elaborate on the benefits of the floating hip belt arrangement? How, in terms of physics and ergonomics, is it superior than, say, a full wrap hip belt (other things being equal like construction, padding, etc)? Would love to hear some insights on this.Mar 30, 2021 at 11:07 am #3707000
In theory the best thing about the floating belt is that it will match the angle of your pelvic tilt. If you have some anterior pelvic tilt (top of pelvis tilting forward) the belt will match that. It does wrap fully too.
I’m personally still on the fence about whether it’s that much better or not, but I’m intrigued because I do have some anterior pelvic tilt.
I’m sure others have plenty to say on the topic.Mar 30, 2021 at 3:22 pm #3707042Erik GBPL Member
@fox212Locale: Central Coast
Thanks, Ben! That’s a helpful insightApr 4, 2021 at 8:12 am #3707624
SWD sent me a Big Wild to put some miles on. Sewing, design, and load carriage are on first impressions very impressive indeed.Apr 4, 2021 at 8:21 am #3707625
A floating hipbelt (the simplest definition of which is one that isn’t sewn vertically into the bag in any load bearing capacity) does three separate things better (IMO) than any other design.
First is accommodate fit variations as Ben mentioned.
Second is to use less foam, fabric and things which can compress and sag under load than, for instance, a traditional lumbar pad arrangement. This preserves torso length under load, and when done properly makes for a more comfortable arrangement in that one doesn’t have to keep tightening the hipbelt as loads get higher and hours under said load accumulate.
Third, a hanging belt is lighter, for the same performance, than any other rig as it requires the least material. For this reason alone it is the obvious choice for an UL load hauler.Apr 4, 2021 at 11:30 am #3707641Federico CalboliBPL Member
Are the compression straps attached with a super burly gatekeepers (or however we want to call gated plastic buckles), or are they attached with metal hooks? My impression from the pictures is that the webbing attaches and detaches using metal hooks, but I am not 100% sure.Apr 6, 2021 at 9:00 am #3707878
Straps attach with plastic hook buckles. You can see one in Ben’s photo of the hipbelt above. The nose is angled such that when you rotate them 180 degrees they slide out quite easily. One handed functionality and security are both quite good. I haven’t tried to break them yet, so that end of things remains to be seen.Apr 7, 2021 at 7:33 am #3708044Spencer LindenbergBPL Member
Anyone have an idea of when this pack will be ready for production and available to purchase?Apr 7, 2021 at 9:22 am #3708059
Dave – does the X50 seem super burly? I have never used it, but I have used X42 which I like a lot. I was a little surprised that it makes this pack a full 10oz heavier than the DCF version. But I guess that gives us an idea of the Big Wild weight range right there. 40oz for DCF, then a little more for VX21, a little more for X42, and then 50oz for X50.Apr 7, 2021 at 12:59 pm #3708117
Super burly is definitely the right descriptor. 9.5 oz/yard I think? I like it, but for most folks it is certainly overkill.May 4, 2021 at 10:42 am #3711432
Posted some updates on my site so I’ll copy/paste here:
Update: May 4th, 2021:
After carrying a ton of weight on that second Dirty Devil trip I was experiencing some hipbelt hardware slippage and belt collapse. I sent the pack back to SWD and they redesigned the hipbelt and it is now incredible. Both the shape and attachments have changed. I took it on a 12 mile trip carrying a lot of water and fresh fruit and vegetables because, why not? The new attachment doesn’t slip and the belt no longer collapses at all. This is due in part to the fact that the upper part of the belt is now attached to an adjustable piece of webbing sewn under the removable sit pad. I found that tightening this upper webbing nearly, but not quite all the way resulted in a very supportive, non-collapsing belt that still articulates perfectly to my anterior pelvic tilt.
This pack is now officially as comfortable, if not more comfortable than my Seek Outside Divide 4500. And that’s saying something considering it weighs about a pound less.May 4, 2021 at 11:23 am #3711441Spencer LindenbergBPL Member
Thanks for the update – can’t wait to get my hands on one of these!May 5, 2021 at 2:34 pm #3711591
Echoing Ben’s assessment; I have been quite impressed with this pack. It survived a recent ski/packraft trip (with a starting pack weight above 50 pounds) very well. In my testing the stays start to get a little whippy above 60 pounds, below that weight I’d pick this versus something with a more rigid frame.May 8, 2021 at 8:53 am #3711839bradmacmtBPL Member
I really like the basics of this pack – a lot. But I can’t get past the attachment points on the front of the pack… I’m just not seeing the logic of them. It seemingly employs two widely spaced daisy chains on the horizontal that are essentially useless to me. I think if this pack had two simple 20″ vertical daisy chains on the front spaced 8-10″ apart, or a 20-24″ stretch stash pocket ala ULA, this pack would really be something more practical and desirable to most backpackers.May 8, 2021 at 9:19 am #3711842Chad LorenzBPL Member
@chadlLocale: Teton Valley, Wydaho
Ben or Dave, have either of you tried an Alpacka bow bag on the front daisy chains?May 10, 2021 at 9:17 am #3711990
bradmacmt – I’ll try and post a bunch of pictures soon demonstrating the ways to use the modular system. I like it for PFD. They do custom requests so it’s possible you could order one with a pocket thought I’m not positive.
Chad Lorenz – Not yet but I’ve been thinking about that. Would actually be cool if someone made a lighter version of that. Maybe just mesh, that could work as a talon on this pack. Something to think about.May 10, 2021 at 4:22 pm #3712038bradmacmtBPL Member
Ben, I’d probably get one with two vertical daisy chains and dispense with all the other webbing/attachments.
Thanks.May 10, 2021 at 4:47 pm #3712043
bradmacmt – cool
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