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Replacing my older ZPacks Bag? (Current version or other hoodless)

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John Rowan BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 4:59 pm

I’ve been using one of the older (early 2016) Zpacks 20* bags for a few years now, and while I generally really like the design/weight of it, it’s never really been as warm as I wanted. I knew this going in, and it’s worked fine for the trips I’ve taken with it, even if it sometimes falls into the “inadequate but fine” camp.  For reference, I have the all horizontal baffle version with about 11 ounces of 900FP fill (per the old specs).

I’m in the process of planning out a trip to do my last 600ish miles of the PCT in OR/WA this August/September, and I’m looking to move into something that’s a bit warmer based on my past experiences in similar areas, so I’m looking to pick up a new hoodless bag in the 20* range. I’m a pretty cold sleeper, so I’ve historically been good in a 20* for any temp into the 50s (at which point I’d be using a summer bag.

Of these, I’ve been playing around with the following:

  • Current ZPacks 20* Bag- the current 20* model has about 2oz more fill than mine, and has the redesigned baffles (partial vertical) which, at least according to ad copy, should help a bit. I don’t know if they kept the same footbox shape as the older models (which I don’t love).
  • Current ZPacks 5* Bag- I normally wouldn’t look at a 5* bag, but I’m assuming that this is characteristically optimistically rated and is probably more of 5-20* bag in the real world. It still might be too warm for general use.
  • EE Conundrum 20*- This is about 6oz heavier than my current ZPacks, which I don’t love, but it should be pretty toasty now that EE’s really bumped up their fill amounts.
  • FF Tanager- This one intrigues me, because there’s not a ton of information on it, but there’s a lot to like about the specs. I know a lot of people really don’t like the zipperless design, but I’ve literally never unzipped my ZPacks bag (i.e. I use it like this anyway) and so I’m not really in the “unzip to vent” category. I will say that this seems underfilled compared to some of their other, similar offerings (12.6oz of 950, compared to 14.7 on the Flicker), which worries me a bit, but I can always buy overfill. That said, I can get the current edition Zpacks 20* for basically the same price/weight, and that seems more versatile.
  • FF Flicker 20 UL- I don’t really see a compelling reason to buy this over the Conundrum, since it’s a good bit more expensive, slightly heavier, and has a full zip that I don’t want.

Of these, I’m most interested in thoughts on whether or not the changes to the ZPacks 20* design over the last few years (2oz more fill compared to what I have, plus different baffle design) will sufficiently increase performance to warrant swapping up to the new design. It’s ZPacks, so I’m assuming that it’ll still be optimistically rated, but if the old design was almost adequate, the changes might be enough.

It’s worth noting that I’m a former longtime quilt user, but don’t want to go back to them. While stuff like the Katabatic Alsek looks really nice, I really value the simplicity of just pulling on a bag, plus I’ve never met an attachment system that I haven’t been able to defeat.

Brad Rogers BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 5:15 pm

2oz of down should help quite a bit.  If you can sew at all or know someone who does, you could buy 3oz of down fill, use a seam ripper on one of the side seams and add the fill to your current bag.  That might be the cheapest way to a warmer bag.

James Marco BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 6:17 pm

Seeing as how the bag is fairly new (only three years on it, down is good for at least twenty), I see two options.

  1. Buy another bag (as you said.) I would check out the Zpacks to see if they have redesigned the footbox, you seem to like the one you have.  I always worked on the assumption that a 20F spread in bags was good. For example I have three: A 40F, a 20F, and a 0F. These seem to all be consistently  rated but are actually 10 degrees cooler than stated…(probably just me. I always needed long johns, knee length wool socks and a down jacket to hit their rating except the 40F bag. this is good to 35F with the above. )
  2. If you don’t mind opening up the Zpacks (you said you didn’t use the zipper) and don’t want to store another bag, just overfill the one you have to 14oz. You could have it done or do it your self for a about 1/3 the cost of a new bag. And it would save storage space.

Personally,  I would likely go for the overstuff rather than overlap temp ranges that closely.

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 6:35 pm

It’s worth noting that I wouldn’t be keeping both bags- once I got a satisfactory replacement, I would be selling my old one.

That also factors into my cost calculations as well- assuming that I sell the old bag for somewhere in the $200-250 range, my “new money” outlay for a new bag would be about $170 or so.

As far as adding fill, I’ve definitely considered it, but I’m not terribly handy and live in a small apartment (i.e. not a ton of space to be working with down), so I wouldn’t be super comfortable DIYing it. I could obviously pay someone to do it, but I’m not sure how much that costs.

Link . BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 7:40 pm

I know that Zpacks has a new bag in the works, I think the proto name is the azure? Just in case you want to stick with them you might ask about it, I don’t know the details on it. Also NUNATAK makes very high quality custom quilts and bags with a very good reputation and a more accurate temp. rating(in most peoples opinion) I would definitely look at them.

Lester Moore BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 8:15 pm

Opinions vary, but Enlightened Equipment checks most of the boxes if you’re looking for a mix of good quality, value, customer service and longstanding reputation.

Ralph Burgess BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 11:26 pm

I’m familiar with Zpacks and EE.   EE are not really heavier for what you get, in the sense that both companies use almost identical lightweight materials and minimalist construction.  The minor exception is that EE insulates the zipper on the Conundrum, where Zpacks does not.   For a given nominal temp rating, EE specs are for greater loft.  If you compare like-for-like in terms of bag dimensions and loft, the weights are very similar.

J-L BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2019 at 11:40 pm

Given what you’ve said (that you don’t use the zipper), the Feathered Friends Tanager could work. A sewn footbox is more efficient volume-wise than a drawcord footbox (like on the Flicker), so that might account for part of the down fill difference. The Flicker also has a puffy draft collar and has to fill up the overlapping zipper portion, so I would guess the two are of equivalent warmth with their standard fills.

Another option is the Timmer Made False Bottom sleeping bag. Looks interesting.

If you want to overfill your ZPacks bag, Rainy Pass will add down as well as give it a good wash. Not sure what this costs though. Maybe Goose Feet Gear would be willing to add some overfill as well.

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