I’ve been using one of the older (early 2016) Zpacks 20* bags for a few years now, and while I generally really like the design/weight of it, it’s never really been as warm as I wanted. I knew this going in, and it’s worked fine for the trips I’ve taken with it, even if it sometimes falls into the “inadequate but fine” camp. For reference, I have the all horizontal baffle version with about 11 ounces of 900FP fill (per the old specs).
I’m in the process of planning out a trip to do my last 600ish miles of the PCT in OR/WA this August/September, and I’m looking to move into something that’s a bit warmer based on my past experiences in similar areas, so I’m looking to pick up a new hoodless bag in the 20* range. I’m a pretty cold sleeper, so I’ve historically been good in a 20* for any temp into the 50s (at which point I’d be using a summer bag.
Of these, I’ve been playing around with the following:
- Current ZPacks 20* Bag- the current 20* model has about 2oz more fill than mine, and has the redesigned baffles (partial vertical) which, at least according to ad copy, should help a bit. I don’t know if they kept the same footbox shape as the older models (which I don’t love).
- Current ZPacks 5* Bag- I normally wouldn’t look at a 5* bag, but I’m assuming that this is characteristically optimistically rated and is probably more of 5-20* bag in the real world. It still might be too warm for general use.
- EE Conundrum 20*- This is about 6oz heavier than my current ZPacks, which I don’t love, but it should be pretty toasty now that EE’s really bumped up their fill amounts.
- FF Tanager- This one intrigues me, because there’s not a ton of information on it, but there’s a lot to like about the specs. I know a lot of people really don’t like the zipperless design, but I’ve literally never unzipped my ZPacks bag (i.e. I use it like this anyway) and so I’m not really in the “unzip to vent” category. I will say that this seems underfilled compared to some of their other, similar offerings (12.6oz of 950, compared to 14.7 on the Flicker), which worries me a bit, but I can always buy overfill. That said, I can get the current edition Zpacks 20* for basically the same price/weight, and that seems more versatile.
- FF Flicker 20 UL- I don’t really see a compelling reason to buy this over the Conundrum, since it’s a good bit more expensive, slightly heavier, and has a full zip that I don’t want.
Of these, I’m most interested in thoughts on whether or not the changes to the ZPacks 20* design over the last few years (2oz more fill compared to what I have, plus different baffle design) will sufficiently increase performance to warrant swapping up to the new design. It’s ZPacks, so I’m assuming that it’ll still be optimistically rated, but if the old design was almost adequate, the changes might be enough.
It’s worth noting that I’m a former longtime quilt user, but don’t want to go back to them. While stuff like the Katabatic Alsek looks really nice, I really value the simplicity of just pulling on a bag, plus I’ve never met an attachment system that I haven’t been able to defeat.

