May 2, 2021 at 10:53 am #3711209John VanceBPL Member
@servingkoLocale: Intermountain West
No chair but I do take a cut up piece of foam pad for a sit pad. It’s maybe 12”x16”. It’s also nice for standing on in the snow as well. I do take a pair of Dawg foam shoes. 8.6 oz in large and used in camp, some water crossings, and swimming. I have a habit of stubbing toes when barefoot and camp shoes come with me on all trips unless there is nothing but snow.May 2, 2021 at 1:01 pm #3711235H WBPL Member
Hike 20 miles in a day, yes, camp shoes and a chair — Xero shoes, Helinox Zero chair. Worth the extra weight IMO and not much extra it is.May 4, 2021 at 12:30 pm #3711451bradmacmtBPL Member
OK, the Torotto Water Shoes showed from Amazon. The size 9-1/2-10’s (42/43) with insoles are 6.70 oz’s for the pair. I’d run them at 6.24 oz’s with insoles removed. Nice thing they pack small and flat! Really great for stream crossings and around camp. I’ll definitely give them a whirl this summer.May 4, 2021 at 12:57 pm #3711453Brad WBPL Member
If I was going to carry a pair it would have to be sandal/open type to let my feet breath.May 4, 2021 at 2:23 pm #3711466Dustin VBPL Member
I gave in and ordered a chair kit for my inflatable pad. It should arrive today.
I hope it’s as life-changing as I want it to be.May 5, 2021 at 12:05 pm #3711567
So these just arrived. In Men’s 12.5-13 (45-46) they weigh 6.39 oz. I think they will work well but are definitely only suitable for schlepping around a fairly smooth camp…pretty sure they would be quickly destroyed if you tried to put any miles on them or do anything strenuous. Would probably work well for water crossings if the stream were fairly shallow/slow moving and the stream bed was small stones. Not sure I’d trust them if the stream was swift, rocky or remotely technical. These appear to be nearly identical to those posted by @bradmacmt. In fact, searching Amazon for “aqua sock” will reveal a plethora of identical or near identical product listings. I’d be very surprised if they all did not originate from the same factory.
My previous “camp/stream crossing shoes”, which I very much like, are about 12 oz, however they are most assuredly hike-worthy with robust soles and uppers. I’d trust them in all the conditions above for which the first pair are unsuitable.May 5, 2021 at 12:52 pm #3711577CHRIS LBPL Member
@pastyj-2-2 What are the uppers made of? Hard to tell from the photo.May 5, 2021 at 2:06 pm #3711589
A thin soft stretchy fabric.May 5, 2021 at 2:52 pm #3711595Mina LoomisBPL Member
@elmvineLocale: Central Texas
Roger Caffin: All this talk about extra shoes for this and for that, and camp chairs … This is BackpackingLIGHT, not glamping.
Well, by the common definition, a base weight under 20 lbs. is “light.” So a small chair and a pair of pool shoes might be included in “light” depending on what else you bring.
Many gear lists that get shared on BPL, either in articles or in the forums, seem to come in under 10 lbs. Especially the lists of people with a lot of experience. These lists don’t normally have a chair or camp shoes. And then every now and then we end up in discussions of things like chairs or camp shoes or other things like stacking closed-cell and comfy inflatable pads.
As someone in the middle–I have never been able to break that 10 lb. threshold, coming in at more like 12 lbs. unless I need a bear canister–but also never taking things like a chair, extra shoes, extra pads, I have to wonder….
Is there no overlap between the posting-as-sub-10 group and the chair/camp shoes group? Or are the sub-10 group people sometimes not counting items they *could* leave behind? Does anyone else feel a little cognitive dissonance?May 5, 2021 at 3:30 pm #3711598Roger CaffinModerator
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Is there no overlap between the posting-as-sub-10 group and the chair/camp shoes group?
There can be no reconciliation between the true believers and the unbelievers…
(Troll warning: Oz humour.)
CheersMay 5, 2021 at 3:48 pm #3711601David GardnerBPL Member
@gearmakerLocale: Northern CaliforniaMay 5, 2021 at 4:08 pm #3711605Steve HBPL Member
Seem to recall the founder of this forum doing a nice comparison of the Helinox & REI “chairs”. ;)
And indeed < 20 lbs is by definition “light”.
My base weight w bear canister is ~ 16 lbs w/o chair & 17 w/ chair. And I suspect it’s not uncommon to have a fast & light kit that’s 10ish lbs & a couple of “in-camp” lux items in a 15ish lb kit.May 5, 2021 at 5:21 pm #3711608
@gearmaker – I’ll be darned if I can find a “chair” in that gear list. Am I blind?
oh, and you are WAY lighter with that than I am interested in going. :)May 5, 2021 at 5:42 pm #3711611JohnBPL Member
@johnnyh88Locale: The SouthWest
Ryan Jordan already answered this question:
I pack a chair about 75% of the time for short trips and 100% of the time for long trips. For short trips, I sometimes spend very little time at camp – just show up, eat, and go to bed – so I don’t miss my chair. For longer trips, I usually have a more relaxed pace, so the chair is nice.
I rarely bring camp shoes. In colder weather, I’ll bring goretex socks sometimes (get to camp, dry feet, put on warm socks and goretex socks, put feet into wet shoes). On some warmer trips where I’m hiking through water much of the day and otherwise not carrying much weight, camp shoes can be convenient to dry out my feet.May 5, 2021 at 5:54 pm #3711612David GardnerBPL Member
@gearmakerLocale: Northern California
WT… I think Steve H saw the list when it had the 16 oz Helinox listed, but it dropped off. Putting it back on now!
That decision chart is hilarious, esp. about whether one posts their gear list online :-)May 5, 2021 at 9:16 pm #3711619JohnBPL Member
@johnnyh88Locale: The SouthWest
I still think there’s room to lighten up the Helinox Chair Zero.
Helinox also makes aluminum trekking poles, and I’ve always wondered why they haven’t worked out a way for their trekking poles to be disassembled in camp and used in the chair frame. Might not work for the lower legs, but shouldn’t be too hard to do for the upper supports. That and a lighter fabric (like the REI Fllexlite) and I think a chair could weigh as little as 10-12oz while being even more compact.May 7, 2021 at 7:34 pm #3711807John LBlocked
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I’ve never considered packing a chair, but I bring a small piece of CCF that doubles as a sit pad and a sleeping pad for my dog.
Camp shoes … no. Remove the insoles and loosen the laces.May 8, 2021 at 3:55 pm #3711871Sam FarringtonBPL Member
@scfhomeLocale: Chocorua NH, USA
Despite the added weight of 21 oz, would never be without my chair: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/81152/
It tips both backwards and sideways for comfort and reach and works well in a variety of tents in wet and windy weather. It allows top access when strapped to the pack, and has a small ledge projecting from the bottom that stabilizes a rolled up sleeping pad with carbon tent poles folded inside for protection.
Footwear is a different story. Rather than try to carry two sets of hiking shoes, with one as a back-up, prefer a slightly heavier shoe that will not fall apart or get soaked inside. If the trip is heavy with water crossings, low WPB gaiters help to keep feet dry. If water crossings are not a major issue, the feet stay comfortably dry. Were I a multi-state trekker, might take a look at light back-up shoes, or even a water shoe, even if it were not suited for hiking.
Also use light soled Dive Sox over hiking socks in camp.
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