- Jul 26, 2017 at 3:39 pm #3481330
Clint WarnerBPL Member
@kodipakLocale: Salt Lake City
Just left OR, very impressed with the new WM backpacking quilts coming out. See specs below. All 7D fabrics, with typical WM top shelf fit and finish. Most interesting is the innovative draft collar being employed in the design!Jul 26, 2017 at 4:11 pm #3481336
Greg MihalikBPL Member
@greg23Locale: ColoradoJul 26, 2017 at 6:19 pm #3481350
John VanceBPL Member
@servingkoLocale: Intermountain West
Nice to finally see some detail. I know they have been working on these for a while. The underquilt has been out for a bit for the hangers out there.Jul 26, 2017 at 10:00 pm #3481366
Christopher *BPL Member
@cfrey-0Locale: US East Coast
That looks like the “yoke” on the cuben/apex quilt design from Bill Fornshell years ago.Jul 26, 2017 at 10:34 pm #3481368
Ken T.BPL Member
Bill did everything first.
Didn’t know they did an under quilt.Jul 27, 2017 at 4:01 am #3481376
John S.BPL Member
Their sizing is 5’8″ and 6’4″….that seems different from other bag makers who are usually 6′ and 6’5″?Jul 27, 2017 at 8:09 am #3481399
@pastyj-2-2Locale: Fed up with BPL snark!
Their sizing is 5’8″ and 6’4″….that seems different from other bag makers who are usually 6′ and 6’5″?
Different and curious. At 6’1″ neither would seem to be a great fit for me.Jul 27, 2017 at 8:55 am #3481405
I read “length of quilt” as being exactly that, as opposed to intended for a person who is that many inches tall. Meaning, the longer one might be a good fit for 6’1″ JCH. Anyone know the answer?
It would also be interesting to know whether they have a differential cut, and whether they live up to the WM reputation for conservative temp rating.Jul 27, 2017 at 11:14 am #3481424
Brian LindahlBPL Member
@lindahlbLocale: Colorado Rockies
It says the length of the quilts are designed to fit pads. The 5’8″ is designed to fit regular (and shorty) length pads. The 6’4 is designed to fit long length pads. So pick the one based on what length pad you normally use.Jul 27, 2017 at 12:36 pm #3481432
Ethan A.BPL Member
@mountainwalkerLocale: SF Bay Area & New England
If you are 6 ft 1″ tall, wouldn’t the 5 ft 8 in. quilt fit you, by leaving only 5 in. of the top of your head exposed? Unless you like to have the quilt drape over your head.Jul 27, 2017 at 1:24 pm #3481442
Ethan, we have no idea because, see below…
Brian, Apologies for my brusque critique of your explanation, but… That makes no sense to me. I am a shade under 6’2″ and I use a torso-length (47″) xlite. But to clarify my point, let’s say I was 6’6″, and I still used a torso-length pad… If I were to buy the short quilt (because that’s what fits my pad), then the quilt would provide coverage from my feet to my armpits (about?), but not further.
The language about being made to fit a specific length of pad… it does not clarify whether the lengths (68″/76″) are referring to the end-to-end length of the quilt (exterior or interior?), or the height of the user, or…? Even if the lengths match a specific pad length, the customer would have to account for whether their head lays on the pad, or on a pillow that sits above the top edge of pad.
I suppose all this will be clarified by the time the quilts are available for purchase, BUT…. IMO…
WM may have claimed a small edge in the performance versus weight equation for UL quilts. And for a not-outrageous price, too. I’m jumping the gun, obviously, but I say that based on (1) the specs provided above for a horizontally-baffled quilt, which allows a bit better field customization for a wider range of temps, especially given how small a hole there is in the bottom of the quilts in those pics(2) the use of differential cut in WM mummy bags, which seems to boost insulation performance beyond a strict calculation of down weight/FP/loft, and (3) WM’s reputation for providing conservative temp ratings.Jul 27, 2017 at 9:51 pm #3481488
Jeffs ElevenBPL Member
I had a moonstone PCT 2 GTX sleeping bag that had that neck yoke thing. Circa ’93.
(My buddy has it now)Jul 28, 2017 at 7:00 am #3481512
Mike WhitesellBPL Member
This quilt does not appear to have a shaped footbox so it is similar to other quilts on the market in that respect. I am 6’1″ tall and have size 14 feet. Because of the overlarge size of my feet, I have to take that into account when I am fitting quilts since they do not have the shaped footbox. I have an EE Revelation in Long size. EE says it fits 6’2″-6-8″ and is 84″ long. But due to the size of my feet, it fits me just right. If I’m laying on my back with my feet stretched out, I need to have the head area snapped and use the drawstring to hold it in place to keep out drafts. I also have a homemade down quilt that I made 90″ long and it fits me perfectly with a bit of room to spare and I don’t have the issue of the head area needing to be cinched tight because of the additional overlap.
All that said, EE’s sizing guide says their Regular length quilt would fit me, but due to the size of my feet, the Long length is perfect, though the Xlong length might be more convenient for me. So keep your foot size in mind when considering these new WM quilts. I would need to find out the actual lengths before considering an order.
Jul 28, 2017 at 7:14 am #3481514
- This reply was modified 11 months ago by Mike Whitesell.
Arapiles .BPL Member
“Bill did everything first.”
I have a sleeping bag from the early 90s – a Thermanest actually – that has a yoke. And I can think of a Japanese sleeping bag company that has had yokes on their bags since at least 2001.Jul 28, 2017 at 7:56 am #3481522
nunatak down gearBPL Member
@madgoat, you’re right, it’s a little hard to see the footbox. I would, however, be surprised if a reputable company like WM would adopt the flat, envelope style foot end, or anything else but a fully shaped efficient design. This is something I associate with extreme cost cutting measures, or a maker employing mostly low skilled pattern makers/seamsters.Jul 29, 2017 at 11:34 pm #3481795
Brian LindahlBPL Member
@lindahlbLocale: Colorado Rockies
Mordecai… you’re over thinking it. If the length of your body fits on a regular pad, then get the 5’8 size. If the length of your body needs a long pad, then get the 6’4 size. I’m sure those lengths refer to the length of the quilt.Jul 30, 2017 at 7:56 pm #3481971
Don BurtonBPL Member
@surfcam310Locale: City of Angels
Does anyone know anything about the attachment system? Or are they meant to be used like bags? Meaning, you get in and “close” them. One thing I like about quilts is that they don’t slip off the pad.Jul 31, 2017 at 9:14 am #3482073
A different pic by Philip Werner, about halfway down the page.
It does not look like it has differential cut. Its so wide, though, maybe you can shake the down into the center and tuck the sides under your mat for a similar effect.
(Brian, I understand that I would get the 6’4″. At this point, I am just interested in assessing the quilt against other options.)Mar 7, 2018 at 3:56 am #3522845
Richie SBPL Member
So I snagged an Astra from backcountry. Construction and quality of materials is fantastic. Closure system I’m not sold on. Not sure they spent the time of this they should have done here. It’s basically six loops with bungee cord crisscrossed through with a cord lock at the end to tighten and loosen.
it is supposed to be matched to pad size, but doesn’t actually seem to be able to connect with the pad at all. The loops give it the potential to easily add your own system, but at the price I think perhaps they should have come up with something a bit better.
Not fully sold on keeping it right now.Mar 7, 2018 at 7:10 pm #3522942
Ben KBPL Member
Richie – it seems like that quilt is very very similar to the katabatic palisade in terms of specs. If you’re familiar with the katabatic attachment system maybe you can comment on the difference between the two? Also what do you think about the draft collar? Do you think it will work well?Mar 7, 2018 at 8:54 pm #3522962
Richie SBPL Member
It is a bit lighter than the Katabatic. the materials and craftmanship are gorgeous, with the materials even a step up from this Chisos and Palisade I also own, especially the silky 7d inner. have the wide version of the katabatic and the WM is more of a normal cut. The loft in the down is fantastic. If feels like air.
The katabatic system uses some 2mm cord around the pad that special clips attatch and allow movement until you lock things down.
The WM is simply shock cord crossed through three loops on either side that acts in leiu of a zip. The loops mean you could very easily rig a system like katabatic or EE.
The draft collar – I think it would be useful if you have to really cinch things down. and is a bit of a luxury if not,
Apologies if this is not especially scientific. Just not had too much time to play with it yet.
Mar 7, 2018 at 9:05 pm #3522963
- This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Richie S.
Ben KBPL Member
Richie – thanks that’s very helpful. I have an Alsek so I’m familiar with that system. The WM system sounds strange but it just dawned on me that I can just walk over to backcountry.com and get in one and see for myself. I guess I’ll have to do that sometime this week.
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