Feb 29, 2020 at 4:55 am #3633674Feb 29, 2020 at 6:09 am #3633682
Thanks Link. Alan pretty much echo’s Andrew Marshall’s assessment that the fit and finish are great, but he doesn’t say anything about performance.
My guess is that this is another well designed product from EE that slots comfortably into the UL rain jacket segment, but does not magically address the performance limitations of that segment.
Very much looking forward the Andrew’s upcoming review.Feb 29, 2020 at 6:21 am #3633684
I read somewhere he will do an updated review after more testingFeb 29, 2020 at 7:39 am #3633686Gerry B.BPL Member
@taedawoodLocale: Louisiana, USA
I see that Columbia has discontinued their Outdry Ex Featherweight series….or perhaps they changed the name to Lightweight? Hard to tell. The only series that has pitzips is the Reign but a men’s large weighs 15.5 oz, way too heavy.Feb 29, 2020 at 9:58 am #3633702Ken LarsonBPL Member
@kenlarsonLocale: Western Michigan
You that are interested in the Columbia Men’s OutDry™ Ex Featherweight Shell Jacket that wonder hat happened to it.
This comes from Columbia customer service chat line.Feb 29, 2020 at 10:38 am #3633709
Columbia is a huge corporation…no way they are going to cater to such a small segment of the market as ours. The bean counters saw the sales figures of the Featherweight and quickly gave it the axe.Mar 1, 2020 at 9:44 am #3633836JacobBPL Member
As an american in california, it doesn’t seem to me that Columbia made any effort to market the technology I’m guessing they paid to develop.
I learned everything about the permanent water repellent surface made of micro plastic beads ( something like that right?) that replaces C6 DWR from this forum (thanks Richard Nisley!) I couldn’t find that info on Columbia’s website or at REI. Those sources only provided marketing claims, which are identical for all rain jacket technologies.
I doubt a huge corporation would spend a bunch of money on something that at least kinda works then give up so quickly trying to sell it, without even really trying.
Competing products like the VISP should only boost Outdry sales since there should be nothing stopping Colombia from putting their permanent plastic bead layer on similar fabrics. Whatever competitors put C6 DWR on, Columbia could just counter with the same/similar thing but with permanent plastic beads…
Maybe Columbia doesn’t own the tech and cant afford to put it on all their jackets? I would pay extra to send something like the VISP to columbia to get a permanent water repellent layer applied, assuming it holds up like people are saying it does.Mar 1, 2020 at 4:59 pm #3633880
Columbia still makes rains jackets using the Outdry Ex fabric/technology…they just axed the “UL” product and now only sell ~1lb+ jackets.Mar 2, 2020 at 8:08 am #3633931Mar 2, 2020 at 11:49 am #3633969Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
Wait, the EE Visp fabric was created by Toyota? Did I read that right? Why is Toyota in the business of making waterproof fabrics?Mar 5, 2020 at 2:17 pm #3634388Geoff CaplanBPL Member
@geoffcaplanLocale: Lake District, Cumbria
The jacket seemed to do really well. There were 6 of us and all the others wetted out pretty early. I stayed relatively dry for the 2 straight days of use.
I suspect that you were enjoying the benefits of new DWR. Were the other 5 in older jackets?
The modern, more eco-friendly DWR formulations have a reputation for degrading rather rapidly in the field.Mar 5, 2020 at 5:18 pm #3634429Richard NisleyBPL Member
@richard295Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Ben’s jacket was a PWPB. There is no DWR to renew.Mar 6, 2020 at 1:52 am #3634463Geoff CaplanBPL Member
@geoffcaplanLocale: Lake District, Cumbria
I misread the post and assumed he was talking about the Visp.
The Columbia Featherweight is another beast entirely, as you rightly point out.May 19, 2020 at 8:56 pm #3648266Adrian GriffinBPL Member
As Andrew says, the Visp bears comparison to the zPacks Vertice. But when comparing roominess, cut, and weight, remember that the Vertice runs very small — comparisons should be with a Vertice a size larger.
I’m 5’10” and weigh 168 pounds. I take a 42″ regular in sport coats and usually get a large in t-shirts, fleeces, and other tops. But I got a Vertice in 2XL (!), based on comparing the garment measurements on zPacks’ website with my older (delaminating) parkas.
The 2XL was a good fit for me, allowing for layering and fitting like a parka rather than a snug wind jacket.May 20, 2020 at 9:07 am #3648310Ben CBPL Member
Richard, sorry for the slow reply. My trip was all on trail, but there was some brushing up on the bushes to the side. It’s also a little early in the year to have too many bushes into the trail. I wasn’t keeping close tabs on the other jackets. I remember a few complaints the first day, but everyone else seemed wetted out on the second day.
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