May 4, 2021 at 12:20 am #3711396
I just purchased a HMG ultamid 2. I am planning to use it year round for alpine climbing and ski mountaineering in the WA Cascades. For summer bug season, how many of you rough it without a mesh insert? Any creative bug net solutions that are super light? Would hate to double the weight of my shelter by having to add a mesh insert, but know I will likely be much more comfortable June-Aug with some for of bug protection.
Thoughts or advice?
Thanks!May 4, 2021 at 5:53 am #3711402
Borah gear bug bivy?May 4, 2021 at 6:02 am #3711406
If you want minimal weight you cant go wrong with it.. when not needed for bugs you can always just lay on top of it as a ground sheet, if bugs nasty.. hop inside. Unless you want more room to sit up and hang out.. then you would want something bigger.May 4, 2021 at 7:32 am #3711407Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
I camp in PNW without bug net
But, June to August there can be bugs
I take a head net and use it some. Also good when I’m not in my tent
I also have a 3 foot circle of netting. Place it over my face. The only problem is if it rests against my face, mosquitoes can bite through it. Wearing a stocking cap helps – netting rests against it and stays off my face.
Usually, after it gets dark, the bugs recede.May 4, 2021 at 9:28 am #3711423
I’d actually been looking at this one. Looks like the lightest full body bug net out there…. and it’s cheap!May 4, 2021 at 9:39 am #3711425
Which one?May 4, 2021 at 9:56 am #3711426
Sorry, I meant the borah gear bug bivy… I see they also have a DCF version that’s lighter, but wouldn’t durability be a concern?May 4, 2021 at 10:26 am #3711431
I have both. First picture is regular one.. the second picture, in my yard is DCF one. Personally, the regular one I prefer. It rolls and packs smaller then the DCF one. As you may know, I am no longer a real fan of DCF…May 5, 2021 at 12:37 pm #3711575HkNewmanBPL Member
@hknewmanLocale: Western US
Worst mosquito swarm attack I’ve experienced was south of Crater Lake (re: NNW of Klamath Falls, OR), so I’d vote yes on a summertime bug net of some type. They didn’t let up until 3 hrs after sunset buzzing right outside my bivy, and I had to press my pack upright inside the bivy to make a “mini-tent” to avoid my skin pressing against the netting.
There’ve been a couple other mosquito rich evenings in OR, but that was the worst.May 5, 2021 at 1:41 pm #3711586
I use a MLD mosquito net bivy under both my tarp and mid when expecting mosquitos in the Coast Range or the Sierra Nevada. I tie up some of the anchor points with bungee cord to the under side of the tarp to keep the net off my face.May 6, 2021 at 12:29 am #3711620
I have the 1/2 insert for the Ult2 and it sags in quite a bit. More room than a bivy but my head and back touches at the sloping sides. So mosquitos congregate there. A lot. All sorts of bugs fly in and get trapped into the peak canopy. Stay there all night but settle down a bit until you start moving about, then it’s crazy town again. I’m going to put some tie outs on the bug netting with the Zpacks DCF patch pulls and attach them with opposing patches to inside of the Ultamid. Not sure if I should use bungee cord with the clips thoughMay 6, 2021 at 9:39 am #3711644
@ simulacra. The thin ( 2mm?) bungee cord comes with the MLD bug net bivy. You could use any old cord I think. The advantage of the bungee cord is that it causes (in theory) less stress on the tie out of the shelter.May 6, 2021 at 10:28 am #3711656Curt PetersonBPL Member
@curtpetersonLocale: Pacific Northwest
As HkNewman notes, there can be insane bug pressure at times. It’s not season-long and constant like my Minnesota days, but seems to be a matter of catching the hatch just right (or wrong). My worst was at a lake where I was covered head to toe in windshirt/windpants & bug netting. The only thing exposed was my right hand that was casting a fly. It was thoroughly doused in DEET. Later in the tent I counted 48 bites on the back of my hand. If I didn’t have my mesh insert that trip I’d have been in a world of hurt.
That said, with “normal” bugs, they tend to congregate at the peaks of pyramids. Even moderate bug pressure doesn’t seem to be a huge issue down at sleeping level. More annoying than problematic. For me, it’s the wet ground that’s a bigger issue. There are times it’s truly impossible to find a patch of ground that’s not soaked in the PNW, so the insert goes with me. One night sleeping in a soggy muddy mess makes the extra weight worth it really fast. Plus the condensation is 1000X lower with a ground barrier. Floorless would be great in the Rockies, but in the Cascades it’s part of the price of admission in my opinion. You can counter the extra weight by rarely carrying water since you’ll pass it every mile or so in PNWet.May 6, 2021 at 12:25 pm #3711667john mcalpineBPL Member
@Hkmewman….absolutely agree with southern Oregon. I came thru there on the PCT in 2015. Thick with mosquitos. I had to wear a head net and socks over my hands.
You definitely need a mesh inner in Oregon and Washington in August/September. You’ll be horrible without one.May 6, 2021 at 2:26 pm #3711672Brett CooperBPL Member
@bcoopLocale: Pacific Northwest
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Six Moons Serenity works in the Ultamid. It packs smaller than a DCF insert. Sea2Summit has a floor less bug net, 3 oz(works as a just in case and is slightly better than being confined to a bivy.</p>May 6, 2021 at 11:40 pm #3711724
The advantage of the bungee cord is that it causes (in theory) less stress on the tie out of the shelter.
that’s what I was thinking as well. Also if I raise or lower the shelter, the pullouts aren’t in a static position making it difficult to adjust. I’ll look into 2mm bungee, thanksMay 8, 2021 at 6:31 pm #3711881
MLD provides mitten hooks that mitigate the need to use knots to attach the bungee cord to the tie outs.
CheersMay 8, 2021 at 8:40 pm #3711885
Yup, mitten hooks or toggles with bungee will be the ideal choice. I was initially thinking of these as a combination, but once received, realized they would be too taut
You definitely confirmed my feeling for using bungee though. I feel the mitten hook will hold more securely but the toggle/bungee might be easier to fasten/unfasten. Mitten is slightly lighterMay 9, 2021 at 8:42 am #3711909
I personally would go with the one I could attach easily in the dark since I often get to my site late.May 11, 2021 at 12:18 am #3712125
Thanks for the awesome guidance everyone. I really like the Borah bug bivy. However its 12 week lead time means June and July without bug protection.
Any alternatives to Borah, or should I perhaps order it and make due till August?May 11, 2021 at 8:04 am #3712145
How tall are you and do you sleep on an inflatable pad? I think I still have in my gear closet an MLD bug bivy that my wife used to use. It was originally mine but then I had MLD make me a longer one.
If you are interested I can dig it out and get the measurements.
CjeersMay 11, 2021 at 8:19 am #3712148
I’m 6’2”. I sleep on a neoair xlite women’s pad.
I would be very interested in the measurements.
thanks!May 11, 2021 at 8:20 am #3712149John LBlocked
Hi I use a ccf pad it is easy to cut to customized specsMay 11, 2021 at 9:24 am #3712154
@Nicolas I will search tonight and see whether I still have it.
CheersMay 11, 2021 at 6:35 pm #3712211
The bivy is 25 inches wide at the foot and 32 inches wide at the head and 77 inches long at the center. Attached is a photo. it was used 2 times before I switched to a longer MLD bivy.
If you are interested I could send more specs and pricing via messaging. Do you have attachment points already inside your mid?
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