- Dec 5, 2018 at 6:01 am #3567499
Thanks John for the kind words and support on the project! I think you’ll love it. It’s designed to be very well rounded and capable in a wide range of challenging conditions.Dec 5, 2018 at 2:09 pm #3567524
Dan – I bought my Duplex in 2014 and while I love it and it is seemingly still in perfect shape, I am well aware that it’s lifetime is limited. What you have shown of the 2P X Mid has me salivating. I suspect there are many others like me…quite likely many more than you imagine.
So what am I saying? Please, if at all possible, accelerate the development of the 2P and get it on the market asap. I understand that you have no intention of doing if it is not “right”, but I would be your first customer. Plus, you can’t let a dog smell the steak and then put it back in the fridge :)Dec 5, 2018 at 4:40 pm #3567536
The bottleneck with the 2P development is the time to build the prototypes. When I get a prototype, I pitch it numerous times and spend hours inspecting and measuring everything. I can spot nearly all the weaknesses in a few hours. So I do that and then send updated design drawings to the manufacturer within a few days or a week of getting the prototype and ask them to get going on the next one.
I continue to use and inspect it after that, but mostly I’m just waiting another month or them to custom build the next prototype. It’s hard because it’s basically a custom tent for them, and they have to document everything perfectly so if I want something 1/2″ longer, they know how long it was in the previous one.
Anyways, all that is to say, I’m going full speed on the 2P. I expect the next prototype shortly (in a week or so) and there’s chance it’s pretty much perfect but more likely we’ll need 1 or 2 more rounds of prototyping. So my guess is about 3 months until the design is nailed down and then we can do a pre-sale.
So yeah I’m very keen to get it ready as fast as possible and it’s unfortunate that it takes so long. With artisan scale manufacturing they could start trickling out as soon as the design is finished, but to get a great price on these we need to manufacture at a larger scale and that takes quite a bit longer since we need to order all the custom materials and hardware, and let the factory tool up (e.g. program their machines that cut the panels).Dec 5, 2018 at 5:15 pm #3567543
Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
I’m excited about the 2P too, but I also hope more of the 1P are manufactured in the future. If it’s that good, it deserves to be on the market with wider availability.
Selling 1000 through the first manufacturing run sure seems like a lot, but there are a LOT of backpackers out there. It will be a shame when I show off my 1P X-Mid to friends and fellow outdoors club members but have to say, “sorry. only 1000 were made.” It’s gonna be like owning a DeLorean or a GM EV1Dec 5, 2018 at 10:32 pm #3567674
Dan – I get it, believe me. Just wanted to emphasize that the 2P will sell well :)Dec 6, 2018 at 3:17 am #3567727
Do you think 2P tents in general outsell 1P? I’ve heard somewhere that 2P are about 100% higher but I don’t if that’s true. But yeah I think sales would be at least as high so we should be able to maybe do a few more options – mesh or solid inner, maybe 2 color options.
“I also hope more of the 1P are manufactured in the future. If it’s that good, it deserves to be on the market with wider availability.”
I hope to get the balls rolling on a 2nd run of the 1P sometime mid-late summer once the first ones are in folks hands and getting lots of use, reviews and feedback. Then those would be ready sometime in early 2020 for the following hiking season. Longer term it would be great to have them available in stock but it would tie up a lot of money to self fund a production big production run, and a small run would be a lot more expensive. So I hope to keep making the 1P and eventually sell it myself but it’s hard to say how that path will go.Dec 6, 2018 at 5:54 am #3567746
Boyan BBPL Member
@groovygeekLocale: San Diego, CA
Generally speaking 2P tents probably outsell 1P by a handy margin. Most people who don’t hang out on BPL tend to not hike solo :-). I would not be so sure about a trekking pole supported tent though. It is somewhat of a specialty item that will probably not sell well in the traditional retail channel. Just look at those droopy barely guyed out self supporting tents at any moderately trafficked location. My intuition is that 2P does not sell as well as 1P. You COULD create a survey monkey poll and ask people here to complete it. This will at least tell you how the hard core crowd feels. I for one would not buy a 2P tent like this.
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