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Jobs after a thru hike

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Adam G BPL Member
PostedDec 28, 2016 at 1:23 pm

Hello,

For those of you who have done an extended thru hike (PCT, CDT, AT), I was wondering about some practical issues about returning to civilization. Some of you are retired. Some can take a leave of absence from work. Some are self-employed. Some have a spouse at home to return to. I’m not talking about you. Nor am I talking about young people who are transitioning between school and have never held a regular 9-5.

I’m talking about those of us who have careers with regular hours who need to get back on their feet once they return to civilization. I’m talking about people who quit their jobs to go, or people who are unemployed and go.

I’m curious about your story. How exactly did you get a job afterwards? Did you apply on the trail or wait until you get home? What cities did you move back to? Where did you stay? What is your career field? Did you find a job quickly or did you find yourself in a prolonged unemployment. If you were a professional, did you find it hard to find non-professional jobs to help support yourself? Did you apply to jobs across the country? How did you budget for this?

Brian B BPL Member
PostedDec 28, 2016 at 2:03 pm

This assumes you’ll want to transition back to “regular” life.

brian H BPL Member
PostedJan 4, 2017 at 7:02 pm

i was a lad of 25…i threw caution to the wind, put my stuff in storage and WENT for it. good thing i did cos i am 50 now and despite the promise i made myself one warm afternoon on that trail, of getting out every year for at least 2 weeks, i never once did!

my thru hike was a turning point in my life…i spent a few months on unemployment, then wound up on an entirely different career path. guess i shouldacouldawoulda been a school teacher, hiking my summers away…

Now to answer the questions in the O_P; i waited…lived with a friend after,in San Francisco; i went from fisheries field work to sales(!)…i didnt really budget cos I was just getting by; as a youngster is SF my car insurance was as high as my rent!

Bottom Line: my greatest regret, having bought the dream (marriage, mortgage, having kids…) and now divorced, is not keeping that promise to myself. They say that down deep, men desire a sense of Freedom more than anything else (cept for $ & power i reckon). The most free I ever felt was that thru hike, by a long shot. My advice: if that kinda freedom is whats calling you, be clear about which priority is #1. You’ll have the rest of your life to sort out career.

“Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans” – John Lennon

rick . BPL Member
PostedJan 5, 2017 at 8:27 pm

Job, apartment and relationship all went south 2 wks before the pct permit date.  Back of an envelope calc said I would have 7k saved with bills to minimum.  Quit nyc for good. Stuff stored at family basement and set up resupply, maybe 6 weeks from inception (had vague plans to do it the following year).

I’m one year out from that, and after some work below my pay grade right off the trail, I am thriving freelancing.  Matched and beat my 9-5 (7, 8pm usually) salary and work when I want, and most importantly not when I don’t want.  Can’t beat the commute but the cat is a lame coworker.  Helps to live on less, my monthly burn = 40 hours, over that is all fun/save.

I definitely leapt before looking, and it worked excellently.  That’s part of the fun and challenge.  Save, quit, don’t spend to zero before the end, and rewrite the next chapter during your 6 months search for nothing.

I’m a new architect, so I definitely traded a few rungs of the corporate ladder by pulling an eject, but that led to nowhere near my path anyways.  I knew that I was just fine at mile 1….

Simon Kenton BPL Member
PostedJan 6, 2017 at 5:54 am

Before I started my hike, I was an inside sales man. That was nearly two years ago. I’m still struggling to find something that I can make similar money but with a more flexible schedule. So far, not so good. Moved to Maine after the hike though, so that’s part of the problem when it comes to finding a lot of work, but it is great after living in Texas most of my life. I wish I would’ve researched the gig economy more right when I got off the trail.

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedJan 6, 2017 at 8:48 am

If one has a marketable skill that is conducive to part time contract work it is very doable. Otherwise, most people find they can only find jobs such as restaurant work.

When I was young I did a couple 6 month hikes and the only jobs I could find were pumping gas or flipping hamburgers. This seems to still be true for most who do a long hike every year.

Now that I am retired and have marketable expertise, it would be easy due to my skill set, reputation, and network of people to find part time work — but I am not interested in working at all. I often get offers for part time consulting jobs (usually 2 weeks per month) that pay $500 – $1,000 per day plus expenses. I also get a lot of inquiries for freelance instructional design projects and requests for building software applications; those gigs usually pay around $50 per hour or a fixed contract amount, which would be even more lucrative in my case. However, my skill set is unique and there are many companies looking to contract out what I do, instead of housing a large staff of full time employees.

Looking to the future, I think there will be even more opportunities for part time remote workers (e.g., working from a home office). Only you need to have a skill that will be in demand.

 

Paul Magnanti BPL Member
PostedJan 6, 2017 at 11:49 am

. I’m talking about people who quit their jobs to go, or people who are unemployed and go.

Have a marketable skill that lets you earn money in between hikes.  But that can get old after a while, too.

 

 

 

Adam G BPL Member
PostedJan 8, 2017 at 12:10 pm

Thanks for all of your honest feedback. It’s interesting to see that not everyone’s post trail experience was universally positive, but most people seem to think they did the right thing anyhow.

Ty M BPL Member
PostedFeb 16, 2017 at 4:32 pm

I’m 22. I actually managed to find a nice job after graduating last May with a hefty music degree, but because I have been planning on hiking the PCT this summer ever since I was 14, I knew that this job was not going to last.

Some folks I talk to find it “interesting” that I would leave a relatively comfortable position to go walk around for four months with nothing professional to show for it, and that’s fine, but even if I struggle to make something career-wise happen when I return, I’d way rather look back 40 years from now and be thankful that I did the hike rather than simply play it safe. Each one of us has different priorities, and it seems that most thru-hikers have very different ones from a traditional westerner consumer.

 

I am confident that when it comes to adjusting back to work, when there’s a will, there’s a way. But what do I know, I’ve not been alive very long…

PostedFeb 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm

tyler, it takes most of us a lot longer than you to realize that. congratulations!

brian H BPL Member
PostedFeb 16, 2017 at 10:49 pm

this thread strikes a very deep chord for me. i will venture a couple guesses here

  1. every thru hiker would consider their hikes lifetime highlights
  2. many hikers in this community who havent taken a long hike, say 3-4 weeks minimum, would make Big sacrifices to have the opportunity
  3. countless folks reach their final chapters in life full of regret over the things they Didn’t to, adventures that remained only dreams, opportunities lost, risks not taken

To the manager out there interviewing job applicants…who would look at someone’s job history and have a serious problem with a 6-month gap of non-working…and make them have to defend that choice…I say, that guy has sold out, he ain’t livin. I pity that fool. “job security” is nearly dead, if not an oxymoron.

from Cat Stevens’ Father & Son:

“…take your time, think a lot, think of everything you’ve got
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not”

 

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedFeb 17, 2017 at 11:56 am

I figured much of this out on my own in my early 20s, but a customer at the backpacking store I worked at was more explicit:

Like many of the upper-middle-class customers in our shop in the burbs, he’d come in way more often than he needed to prepare for a trip.  Because he’d only go on one trip a year, often on trips we led for 7-8 nights in the Sierra.  He’d look at any new offerings, leaf through the topo maps, maybe buy a Backpacker magazine.  Mostly he’d chat about the trips WE – the 20-something staff – were taking.  We knew him by name, as we did the scores of people we’d been with on week-long trips or who we taught to X-C ski or rock climb.  One time, I was mentioning my next road trip: 6 weeks off to drive around the US, camping out as I went, checking out the national parks (mostly) and cities along the way.  And he encouraged me to keep doing that, not forever necessarily, but a few more years yet.  He related being college-age and not having the money to do big trips or have decent tools in the garage to work on projects.  And, having gone early into work and family, he now had money and a garage full of nice tools, but not the time to work on projects or take many trips.

This was during of my “seven-year itinerant-bum phase” between my two stints at college and I worked in a backpacking/ski shop, taught first aid classes, installed solar systems (thermal panels, not planets), programmed and repaired microcomputers, hung sheet rock, and led backpacking trips.  I learn quickly – heck, I get bored if I’m NOT learning new stuff – so employers are happy with me when I quickly became a skilled employee.  And it’s less boring to be working than not, so I was productive.

While others would ASK for time off, I’d ANNOUNCE when I was leaving and when I’d be back.  Not with some arrogant expectation that I should or expected to be rehired, but to give my employer the option.  Most wanted me back after a month or two or three off.

Now, as a senior engineer with some very specialized skills, I’m an “on-call” employee at a large firm.  If you can call me and describe what your project, I’ll likely tell you how to do it yourself, but if it jives with my skill set and my schedule, I take on that task and make a nice hourly wage for a while.  Otherwise, I’m doing my own thing, or taking trips with my family or one of our teenagers, or volunteering in the schools (I coach the middle school math team).

It helps having put money in the bank during a decade of 45-50 hour weeks.  It helps even more having married a physician, but she only works 3 days a week when we’re in town and we take 1-2 months of vacation a year.  And 3 months of maternity leave for each kid.  Most professional couples don’t manage nearly as much play nor family time, but we’re in a small rural town with inexpensive land (13 acres / 6 hectares of spruce forest, 700 feet of sandy beach on the salt water, looking across at 10,000-foot volcanos. = $100,000).  Our house is compact, efficient (tightest house in town by a factor of 4), and I did all the plumbing and electrical on it).  So the house payments look more like car payments.  Versus friends in SF, LA or NY whose housing costs each month could BUY a decent used car.  Each month.

We buy boring, reliable cars (Corolla, RAV4, Prius) and drive them for 200,000 miles.  Other than travel, we don’t have expensive hobbies like fishing, four-wheeling, guns, or snow machines.  At least, I don’t buy and own the gear for those activities.  I aspire to be the best guy to invite on your fishing trip.  I bring a great lunch for everyone.  I buy the gas and the bait.  I help you work on your boat ***that you own and that sits in your driveway***.  You shoot a bear and I hump it out.  etc.  So there are no end of adventures I get invited on.  We’re super generous with our time and expertise and some people just benefit from that without returning the favor, but others step up if I need someone to cover math coaching some week I’m traveling or a extra hand to help build a roller coaster or bungie jump or treehouse in our forest.  And our kids are nice people, so we can deposit them with friends for a night or a week.  For instance with the family whose daughter we took on a week-long BPing trip in Canada last year and will take to see the total solar eclipse on August 21st.  There is a lot more “paying it forward” in this small town than I saw in the suburbs 40 years ago.

And back in my 20s and early 30s?  I lived like a college student a lot longer than my co-workers.  I wasn’t paying a California mortgage nor commuting in 2-3 hours each way from some starter home I could afford in the ex-burbs.  I hung with college / graduate students at the university outing club for a long time.  They take more physical, less expensive trips than working professional do.  And a lot more of them.  My co-workers would leave work on Friday, mow their lawn, deal with the plumbing, fight with the spouse and come back on Monday and hear my tales of bugging out on Thursday, billing my my travel time by stopping by a toxic waste site on the way to the mountains with a car full of college students, and doing a 3-night trip.  And do that at least twice a month.

I was lucky to born white.  I was lucky to born smart.  I was lucky that a world-class college education at a public school (UCB) was $240/semester plus $400 for books.  I was lucky to have parents who’d let me return home for a month or two after an extended trip as I returned to work, saved a bit, and found a new rental place.  I suppose I was lucky to see my father do a job he wasn’t enjoying as much as when he was playing with the maps at the USGS and to see a few friends who enjoyed the challenges of their jobs, so early on I decided to pursue jobs I liked over ones that initially paid better or were a more obvious career path.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedFeb 17, 2017 at 2:52 pm

Read carefully what Nick and David wrote. Especially Nick’s comment:
Only you need to have a skill that will be in demand.
In the future this will be even more so.
If you don’t have a sound marketable skill but are hoping to get a ‘well-paid low skill’ job with lots of time off, forget it. They won’t exist. Robotics, automation, and off-shore are what is happening.

But on the other hand, reaching old age and death before you do that dreamed-about long walk – well, a lost opportunity.

Cheers
Most people would die sooner than think – in fact they do so.
Bertrand Russell

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