High water in Paria Canyon, UT! Alternative routes?

[RVP]

I am a leader of a group of moderately experienced mostly teenage backpackers.   We scored Paria Canyon permits – yay! But the ranger station has informed us that conditions are currently dangerous due to high water – boo!

Can anyone suggest a Colorado plateau itinerary in the 40-mile-ish range that would be of comprable advenurousness?  Preferably one that does not require permits.

[NoCO-Jim]

Grand Gulch (permit req’d)?

[Arthur]

Several years ago, we had a permit for Paria river.  I called the ranger’s office.  A young employee answered the phone. I told her that we had a permit in 3 days.  She stuttered, got a big excited,  and said I should talk to her boss. The other ranger got on the phone and he asked if we could swim.  I said yes, that were actually all competitive swimmers in the past.  He asked what are times were for 14 miles.  We went elsewhere.   PM me for a suggestion.

 

[DWR D]

Grand Gulch is likely full of water also… does require a permit, but not hard to get in March… er… did you say March? Or when at all?  With the amount of precip in the west this year, I would think all the canyons out that way will be wet… or… worse… a chance of flash floods…. I know that is ‘usually’ a summer thing, but this does not seem to be a ‘usual’ year…

DWR

[RVP]

Trip is the last week of March.  Looking at routes accessed by Hole-in-Rock road near Escalante.  Will routes that go along the Escalante river be hikeable?

[DWR D]

Best to call the Escalante Grand Staircase Ranger/Visitor Center…

That road can be washed out at times…

Honestly, if everything is wet out there, best to look for open/wide canyons than the narrow ones… And if it’s been raining… many, if not most of the roads will be muddy with access very questionable… depends on how much sand is in that clay… When you have lemons, make lemonade… go to open canyons or mesa tops that would be too hot in most years… Judging by the forecasts, it’s pretty cold weather out there right now too… March may not be the best time this year…. I usually go early April but my current thinking is late April… I will watch the weather before going… could be May this year… go with ‘the flow’  ha…

DWR

[DWR D]

Read your post again… you wrote, “Will routes that go along the Escalante river be hikeable?” If you are asking about the Escalante River itself and not the side canyons, much of the hiking down the Escalante River is IN the river itself… varies… it’s a very long river… but would be hard to imagine that water levels are not high this year. Again… call the ranger/visitor station and ask. And or call one of the local outfitters. My sense (without actually knowing or calling) is that March may be too early this year. You may be trying to force yourself into a bad situation for the sake of getting some ‘bucket list’ hikes in… Call and find out the situation from the locals… and be prepared to go with a plan B C or D… maybe no canyons at all… though I bet the Grand Canyon trails re hikeable… and paved roads right up to the trailheads… they often have unreserved passes available if you are flexible… call them… Or… lower elevations off the Colorado Plateau…

DWR…

[Rex Sanders]

One dead, one missing after Buckskin Gulch floods

The helicopters extracted 11 other people from that (in)famous slot canyon in southern Utah, too.
https://apnews.com/article/buckskin-gulch-utah-slot-canyon-death-flooding-2b7ad5c072478e56ee97c6019d333715

Stay safe!

— Rex

[Jon Fong / Flat Cat Gear]

I am pretty suprised that people would be hiking Buckskin Canyon at this moment.

[RVP]

Thanks for suggestions, everyone.  Glad we are skipping Buckskin!

Not interested in a bucket list hike, just one that does not require (sold out) permits, not accessed by 4wd roads, not technical, not zero water sources or problematic water levels. That eliminates most options.

Still, I have one great idea from this thread.

[DWR D]

Unbelievable that people would enter those narrows given the weather forecast… Good Grief…  Many years this canyon is still too wet and flooded in May !!!  And cold down in there until June… very sad that people die unnecessarily when out trying to have fun…

[Rex Sanders]

Havasu Canyon hikers and stuff evacuated by helicopter

https://apnews.com/article/havasupai-havasu-falls-flooding-tribe-reservation-21a2afcec579bfe3923b89ca33dad003

“Some hikers had to camp in the village. Others who weren’t able to get to the village because of high water were forced to camp overnight on a trail.”

FYI: Permits are very hard to come by. Ironically, visitation re-opened this month after three years of pandemic shutdown.

— Rex

[DWR D]

People often think of the canyons as dry, hot deserts… which they are in the summer…  but many are on mesas 6 to 8,000 feet high… and the weather generally moves west to east… in other words, those storms flooding California head on over to the canyons. And at 6 or 8,000 feet, it can be as cold as the Lake Tahoe ski resorts… just less precip, but cold.

[Scott Roach]

You might look at some options in canyonlands needles district

[JeffPod]

Hey RVP,

Don’t write in forums too much…but might be worth checking out Coyote Gulch – its an option down Hole in the Rock Rd. You could enter from Hurricane Wash TH or Red Well TH. Doesn’t look like there is a permit quota you would just need to stop by and grab a permit at the ranger station. Its beautiful down there, especially the confluence of the Escalante and Coyote Gulch…..definitely worth a trip to see Steven’s Arch if it is safe to do so.

I walked through this area on the Hayduke in 2020 and then again last year in late April and it was beautiful. I bit later in April there is some heat…..so it make walking in and out of the water enjoyable – whereas when I walked through there in 2020 it was late October and my toes were soooo cold. If I remember correctly, there are a few loops you could put together that climb out of Coyote Gulch via a few known routes.

Good luck with planning!

[Scott Roach]

Almost all the hikes in the Escalante region are in drainages. The Aquarius plateau is an 11’000 foot plateau that feeds all of the drainage’s of the Escalante. Things could magically dry out but highly unlikely this year as its been one for the record books. I kayaked the Escalante from highway 12 down to lake Powell in May 2005 and the river was pumping with lots of whitewater. It was an epic 7 day trip. There are a few overland routes that might minimize the water crossings but you’d want current data from the rangers. Jeff pod might be able to give input as he mentioned he did the hayduke.

There are some great dry loops in the needles district that go through really cool short slots, past arches and overlooks down to the Colorado River. Highly recommended.

[DWR D]

Could be wrong, but I believe the permits for Coyote are limited. It is a VERY popular hike. And best to check on the roads. I would not be surprised if they are muddy and potentially impassable. Best to always check with the Ranger/Info Center in Escalante…

[RVP]

Looks like we will be headed to the Needles District of Canyonlands.  Thanks for all the suggestions.

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