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Has anyone had problems using shielded canister stoves at high altitudes?

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Adrian Griffin BPL Member
PostedSep 22, 2026 at 7:29 pm

On my last few trips, I’ve had problems with my stove sputtering when cooking at 8,000–8,400 feet. I’m using a Toaks canister stove with a home-made titanium 3/4-wrap windshield and a pie-tin aluminum reflector.

Before my trips, I tested the stove at home (elevation 40 feet) with the windshield and the reflector. It worked flawlessly. The tone was a steady hiss, rather than the roar from the Hornet II that I was previously using.

But on my first trip using a full-wrap windshield, the stove sputtered. The tone changed when I lifted the pot up, and I used more fuel than expected. I put this down to overshielding, possibly blocking the flow of combustion air in or blocking the flow of combustion gases out up and around the pot. I had a 5–8mm gap between the pot and the windshield.

For my next trip, I switched back to my older 3/4 wrap windshield, modifying it to give a 10–20mm gap between the pot and the windshield. See the photo. I boil my tea in the Evernew Kettle and boil my dinner water in the Evernew pot.

I had the same problem, but not as bad as before. The stove didn’t burn steadily at high or low flame and the tone changed a bit when I lifted the pot up. Ambient temperature was about 70°F. I suspected that the gas was contaminated—I’d refilled my 4oz canister from a 16oz eight times. The refills were GSI 70% isobutane, 25% propane, 5% n-butane.

I tested my stove again at home. It worked perfectly, so the fuel couldn’t have been the problem. The ambient temperature was about the same as up in the Sierra on a warm afternoon.

That leaves the altitude and the thinner air—80 kPa at 6,400ft compared with 101 kPa at sea level.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the interaction between stoves, windshields, and altitude?

 

My stove and windshield

 

 

 

PostedSep 23, 2026 at 5:11 am

Spitballing here, but I suspect that the windscreen is not the problem.  Do you remember the time it cook to boil and how much water you were heating?

The TOAKS stove is relatively new and there is not much customer feedback on performance.  IMO, the TOAKS stove is an odd duck, they use a lot of good materials but I am not impressed with the burner.  At low gas flow, the individual jets look great, at high flow rates, they disappear and merge.

I tend to believe that if the pitch changes when you lift the pot, then you are impacting the burn dynamics.  I suspect that the stove would then be running too rich.  If you get back to higher altitudes, you might be able to test with and without the windscreen.  My 2 cents.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 23, 2026 at 8:01 am

did you try removing the windscreen when you were at high elevation?  That would rule out whether the windscreen was causing the problem.  If it wasn’t windy.

what you said is really weird.  it doesn’t make sense.  Maybe there’s some totally unrelated problem like there’s something wrong with the stove.  But then it wouldn’t work back home.  unless the failure is intermittent.

just looking at your picture, there is plenty of air getting into the stove, no way your screen could be blocking anything.  Nice windscreen.

bradmacmt BPL Member
PostedSep 23, 2026 at 8:58 am

 

The TOAKS stove is relatively new and there is not much customer feedback on performance. IMO, the TOAKS stove is an odd duck, they use a lot of good materials but I am not impressed with the burner.

I was hoping Jon Fong would chime in here. I agree with his assessment of the Toaks Stove. I had one briefly, but got rid of it after deciding it wasn’t for me.

Aside, I use various canister stoves all the time at elevations well over 8K with no problem, including with various windscreens. As was mentioned, try it without the screen next time?

But if it doesn’t break the budget perhaps pick up an MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe or Soto Wind Master… they do fairly well in light wind without a windscreen, and are proven performers. With a windscreen they’re even better. I have both.

Adrian Griffin BPL Member
PostedSep 23, 2026 at 1:40 pm

Yes, this is puzzling. I tested the Toaks again and it worked as expected. Then I tried to suffocate it with my old, taller full-wrap windshield (see photo), but it worked fine.

Maybe there was an intermittent problem with the fuel—moisture or something. Next season, I’ll try the Toaks at 8,000 ft with a fresh canister with and without a windshield and see what happens.

BTW, I have no shortage of stoves. My first canister stoves a Pocket Rocket 2. Then I got a Hornet II, attracted by its lower weight—1.7 oz vs 2.6 oz. This worked well with a windshield. Then I tried the Toaks—same weight as the Hornet II, but smaller burner-to-pot distance and better build quality. REI has the Toaks in stores, so I was able to take a good look at it.  I fired it up in my shed and was impressed by its smooth, violet flame pattern.

So … Jon, Brad, what are your reservations about the Toaks?

PostedSep 23, 2026 at 6:54 pm

The TOAKS Ti Backpacking stove is in my opinion on par with the BRS 3000t: not great but ok as a fair weather stove.  All stove will perform fine in calm conditions, good stoves work in extreme conditions.  The Pocket Rocket and the Soto WindMaster have earned their reputation, TOAKS has not.  Fire Maple makes some very good stoves as well and out perform TOAKS.  My 2 cents.

Don Montierth BPL Member
PostedSep 23, 2026 at 8:46 pm

I’ve used a Soto Amicus and a Pocket Rocket Deluxe above 11,000 feet with no issues other than the piezo not functioning up high. I was not using a wind shield but I was using a heat exchanger pot.

If the wind shield was at least partially open I doubt that was the cause.

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