Fire Maple QuickBoil Pro Mod…

Very nice!  4.6 g to boil is pretty impressive.  My 2 cents

Jon, I was pretty shocked when I unscrewed the canister and weighed it!

I ran some wind trials today using a Vornado Fan, and speed checked with Anemometer:

Wind Speed – 5mph (avg)

Air Temp – 74*F

H2O – 500 ml

H2O Temp – 56*F

Altitude – 5,010′

QuickBoil Pro:

Low Setting Fuel Usage – 15g / Boil Time – 11:55 

High Setting Fuel Usage – 8.6g / Boil Time – 2:35

Soto Windmaster With Fire Maple Petrel G3 Pot:

Low Setting Fuel Usage – 10.6g / Boil Time – 5:40 

High Setting Fuel Usage – 8.6g / Boil Time – 3:18

MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, DIY Windscreen, & Fire Maple Petrel G3 Pot:

Low Setting Fuel Usage – 9.1g / Boil Time – 4:50 

High Setting Fuel Usage – 8.6g / Boil Time – 2:08

Once again the test reinforces that turning the stove up to high in a heavy wind has greater fuel economy than running it on low.

I also learned my DIY – PRD windscreen isn’t that great (at least with the Petrel Pot), and likely isn’t worth its 1oz weight.

I’m likely going to cut off a portion of the QuickBoil bottom ring to be able to fit the PRD and Windmaster. This will render it useless for its equipped stove, but it’s all fun and games, no?

Nice results, thanks.

Comparing to gearskeptic, soto plus stock petrel was 7.9g at both low and medium, and 7.5 at high, all with 5mph

Just because, I cut off the bottom of the QuickBoil and cut slots (5mm wide) like those in the Petrel G3. Both the Soto Windmaster and MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe now fit it exactly like the G3.

With its cozy and lid, it weighs exactly the same as my modified G3 pot.

Boil Test (no wind):

Air Temp – 74*F
H2O – 500 ml
H2O Temp – 56*F
Altitude – 5,020′ (Upstairs this time lol)

Soto Windmaster:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 7.3g / Boil Time – 4:28

MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 7.3g / Boil Time – 3:30

Not great fuel usages.

In theory, both the Windmaster and PRD should use the same amount of fuel as with the Petrel G3. However, in the case of the WM it uses 1.1g more than the G3, and with the PRD it uses 1.5g more fuel! This is a real surprise. However, the bottom of the Quickboil is quite different than the G3. There is a “step” in the bottom, not found on the G3.

The burner head on both the WM and PRD are approx 7mm off the bottom of the pots. On a Jetboil, which basically perfected this technology, the burner head is around 21-22mm off the bottom of the pot.

The cutouts on the Quickboil pot I made are 20mm deep in order for the WM and PRD to seat flush to the bottom of the pot just like with the G3 pot.

When I have more time I’ll cut slots about half as deep for the PRD and re-try the boil time. The WM with its triflex pot support needs to be seated at the bottom of the pot because it’s not as wide as the PRD, so future testing for it is out.

Comparing to gearskeptic, soto plus stock petrel was 7.9g at both low and medium, and 7.5 at high, all with 5mph

What was his elevation, air temp, and starting water temp? Would also add, he was using a fuel regulator that made fuel consumption absolutely consistent for all stoves and testing. My testing is much more “seat of the pants.”

Just spitballing here but the increase fuel consumption with the PRD and Soto kind of makes sense.  To add the wind deflection to the Quickboil and maintain the same OD, the fins would have to be smaller.  Basically an HX pot with maybe an 80 mm or less pot diameter?  You may get better results by slowing down the time to boil to the 6 minute range.  My 2 cents.

You may get better results by slowing down the time to boil to the 6 minute range.

Hi Jon, which test(s) and stove(s) are you referring to? Thanks.

PS, looking forward to hearing your results when you’re back home.

You may get better results with the PRD and Soto by slowing down the burn rate.  I come from the alcohol stove world and it seemed like the sweet spot for fuel efficiency was delivering about 400 watts of energy.  Boil times in the 4-6 minutes is way over 400 watts.  Worth a test.  My Quickboil is at home and I fly back tomorrow.  Testing within the next week or so.

You may get better results with the PRD and Soto by slowing down the burn rate

I’ll give it a try. I thought I had them both turned down about as low as they could go, so I’m not sure I can get to a 6min boil time. We’ll see. I was surprised at the fuel usage at 7.3 g as I think they should be more in the 6.5 g area.

FYI – When I dry bake with the PRD or Soto, I dial it down to about 100w.  That would take about 30 minutes to boil 2 cups of water.

The first thing I noticed is the “locking” diagram on the pot is backwards lol – it shows “locking” to the left, when in fact it’s to the right. Typical Chinese screw-up.

Not exactly.  When the stove is completely mounted to the canister, the directions are correct (assuming that the Canister and Stove are a reference or considered “ground”).  The mug slides down over the stove and you rotate the mug as per the diagram to lock and  unlock.  If you hold the mug in your hand and insert the stove, then rotating the stove would be incorrect.

With the QuickBoil design, there are only 2 configurations to load and lock the stove: the detents must be aligned at one of the 2 downward arrows.  There are 2 arrows diametrically opposed to each other.  I can imagine that this is a real pain to align in low light conditions.  Unfortunately, just sliding the mug down over the stove (and not locking it) is not very stable, so one probably should lock the assembly together for better stability.  My 2 cents.

Coastal Range

In the current landscape, the Coastal Range system does not look competitive at all.  Too heavy and too expensive.  There are many other offerings that are far superior.   My 2 cents.

Not exactly. When the stove is completely mounted to the canister, the directions are correct (assuming that the Canister and Stove are a reference or considered “ground”). The mug slides down over the stove and you rotate the mug as per the diagram to lock and unlock. If you hold the mug in your hand and insert the stove, then rotating the stove would be incorrect.

No directions on a Western designed item would be this way. This might be a case of West meets East, but more likely is just a screw up.

You may get better results by slowing down the time to boil to the 6 minute range.

I did that yesterday Jon, and indeed results were better.

I paid much closer attention to getting both the Soto WM and MSR PRD down to a very low setting. I alos threw in the Jetboil Ti for a comparison.

Boil Test (no wind):

Modified Petrel G3 w/Cozy and Jetboil lid

Air Temp – 74*F
H2O – 500 ml
H2O Temp – 56*F
Altitude – 5,020′

Soto Windmaster:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 6.3g / Boil Time – 6:05

MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 6.5g / Boil Time – 6:22

Jetboil Sol Ti:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 4.7g / Boil Time – 6:22

Did a test with the QB Pro Pot and BRS Stove:

Boil Test (no wind):

Air Temp – 69*F
H2O – 500 ml
H2O Temp – 56*F
Altitude – 5,020′

BRS 3000:
Low Setting Fuel Usage – 5.1g / Boil Time – 8:35

People always say that a wide pot is more fuel efficient. What is not discussed is the ratio of the mug/pot diameter to the diameter of the flame profile (at the mug surface). This might by why the BRS 3000t is outperforming the PRD and Soto WindMaster . The BRS has always done well in calm conditions, it is just horrible in the wind. My 2 cents.

Jon, I also wonder whether the gap between the burner head and pot bottom is more optimal with the BRS. The “gap” is approx 21mm which is the same as the Jetboil Ti. The Gap with the PRD and WM are about half that. Also, the distance between the QB burner head and the pot bottom is approx 30mm.

It’s worth noting that the BRS Burner head is right at the bottom of the modified QB pot. I wonder whether the flange will act as a bit of a “wind break.” Might have to test that at some point.

Meanwhile, I’d say that the Modified QB system (ie, pot cut to 550ml, pot handle ditched, lid replaced, and cozy installed) is the lightest, most fuel efficient HX system out there. It’s 2 oz’s lighter than the Jetboil Ti, (3oz’s lighter than the Jetboil Sol Al) and every bit as efficient, while having the benefit of actually being able to cook or melt snow without vaporizing the HX fins.

Also, the Modified QuickBoil is the same weight as a Modified Petrel G3 and Soto WM combo, but the QB seems to use at least 1.5g less fuel per boil, while also being quicker. That’s not inconsequential.

Now that I’ve destroyed the QuickBoil pot, I just reached out to Fire Maple to see if they’d sell me a replacement lol.

Did a second test with the BRS and QB Pot, this time with it turned up to Med/Low:

Boil Test (no wind):

Air Temp – 70*F
H2O – 500 ml
H2O Temp – 56*F
Altitude – 5,020′

BRS 3000:
Med/Low Setting Fuel Usage – 4.9 g / Boil Time – 4:39

I had a sneaking suspicion it would do a bit better turned up…

Surprise, surprise, the 110g fuel canister, BRS and mini Bic all fit under the Jetboil lid…

SO MANY DETAILS

But then as Goethe said, “God made the universe with details.”

Thanks for this. I’d add:

Anodized aluminum pots use less fuel than ti and pots that are wider than tall use less fuel than vice-versa.

Bradmacmt,

Thanks for posting your mods and tests.

Question: Do you think it’s possible to modify the pot to work with a BRS stove that hasn’t had the arms bent? And ideally leave most of the bottom, wind protection structure, in place?

For reference, I’ve modified my G3 to work with a stock BRS stove and made a 360 degree coverage Ti  windscreen (link below) but it would be nice to have the windscreen integrated.

https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/fire-maple-petrel-pot-mods/