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A Return to the Hipbelt

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PostedMay 7, 2018 at 10:37 pm

Hey everyone,

I’ve lurked in the forums for several years now, but this will be my first post (have bought items, though). That said, I’ve been pondering the subject of frameless/hipbelt-less packs vs lightweight internal frame packs for a little while. My first pack was a 50L Osprey, and after a while of leaving stuff behind and buying lighter gear, I eventually sized down to a Gossamer Gear Kumo. I love that pack and used it for an end-to-end on the Long Trail two summers ago, but did realize a few things on that trip that have made me question a return to the hip belt:

I don’t like resupplying every 3 days; my sweet spot is 5-7. On that trip, I began with 5 days of food and resupplied via mail drop 105 miles later with 5 more days of food. The volume of the pack was perfect in this regard, but with 5 full days and 2L of water it often weighed in at 20-22 pounds. Once this happened, I found my upper and middle trapezius would become sore, and I would end up trying to tighten the webbing around my waist to transfer some weight. (I was using a small Z-lite sol instead of GG’s included foam pad – this may have contributed to the way it sat on my back, as it ended up being thicker, but I’m not entirely convinced.)

Now, the Kumo gets used for anything < 15 pounds (usually overnight – 2 or 3 day trips) and it is fine – no discomfort. For the trips I prefer to take, though, I find myself taking my behemoth 60L Gregory pack even though the Kumo can handle the volume. For spending 5-7 days out in the woods without resupply, I’m wondering if it might be worth it to purchase a smaller pack with an internal frame and hip belt and leave the bigger one behind. For reference, the larger pack is a Gregory Paragon 58, and it fits me so well that I am looking at getting the Paragon 38.

Hopefully that made sense and wasn’t just a long stream of consciousness. I suppose I’m really just looking for opinions on whether I should buy a smaller framed pack for these longer trips or stick with the one I have, even though it is entirely too-large for anything other than summer trips or hauling other people’s stuff. The average base weight for these trips is around 9 lbs (including the Kumo. It would be closer to 11 with the Paragon 38), and a total weight of around 20-25 pounds.

Lester Moore BPL Member
PostedMay 8, 2018 at 12:54 am

A quiver of different backpacks in your kit is a good way to address this issue, if you can afford to get multiple packs. For less than around 12 lbs, a small, simple frameless and hip-belt-free pack works for me (MYOG 4 and 9 oz packs). For 12 – 18 lbs, a basic hip belt is nice to take a little weight off the shoulders from time to time (like the MLD Burn). Over 20 lbs or so, I almost always choose a LW framed pack (like the GG Gorilla).

Everyone’s needs and preferences obviously vary when it comes to packs. Some people on BPL seem to love frameless packs carrying well over 25 lbs. And where you hike is a key consideration. Even with SUL loads, it’s nice having a light hip belt if bushwacking or off trail to help stabilize the pack. Your personal experiences give you the best direct and relevant guidance on how to select packs that best fit your needs.

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedMay 10, 2018 at 8:43 pm

I recently underwent a somewhat similar thought process within the last year as a (now former) MLD Burn user. I had the hipbelt due to a need for a bit more support for my bad back, but I think we were otherwise in a pretty similar position. Like you, I also own a larger and more robust pack (ULA Circuit) that I mostly have kept around for longer trips with bigger food carries and/or trips into bear can territory, but I haven’t really given the pack much use since late 2015.

With my kit, I’m usually able to get about 4 days’ worth of food into the Burn, and realistically can probably do 5, although either of the upper bounds tended to straddle the line between “can” and “should,” and the shape of the pack made packing it up a challenge, especially in the first day after resupply.

I ultimately went with a Superior Wilderness Designs Superior 35 (with suspension), and, thus far, it’s really seemed to be a “best of both worlds” option for me, as it’s still small enough that I can go out for 1-2 nights without sloshing around, but it can also handle a longer food load and/or bearcan. As a nice added bonus, it’s a bit wider than the Burn, and the lack of having to play “pack Tetris” every morning has really increased my ability to get out of camp quickly. (It’s worth noting that, despite the name, the SWD 35 is something like 42-45 liters total when all of the pockets are added).

I’m still very early on in my usage of the SWD pack, so time will tell how I wind up feeling about it, but it’s my hope that, by sizing up a bit and adding a few ounces for the suspension, I’ll be able to get by with one pack for more or less all of my needs, without having to worry too much about long carries.

In reading through this, I fear that I’ve responded to your “stream of consciousness” post with one of my own, but I guess my overall take-home point is that there are options out there which would seem to accommodate your stated needs pretty nicely and might allow you to have a pretty workable one-pack solution. FWIW, my SWD pack came in at 26oz with suspension and a few extra mods (load lifters and bottom stretch pocket).

Ben C BPL Member
PostedMay 10, 2018 at 9:21 pm

As another alternative, I am using and liking a MLD Prophet.  It has a padded hipbelt and no frame.  I always carry a 1/8 inch foam sheet inside.  That setup allows me to carry 25 pounds pretty easily.

Doug Coe BPL Member
PostedMay 13, 2018 at 12:16 am

I’m slow to buy new gear (shocking!) and have never tried a pack with no hipbelt. But I would like to lighten up some—I’m using a ULA Catalyst and often carry a bear can.

Packs like the SWD Superior 35 which are fairly light AND have a real hipbelt and stays that carry most of the weight on your hips sounds really nice.

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedMay 13, 2018 at 1:31 pm

Doug- I’ve long been surprised that there aren’t more options in that particular size/weight class. (Off the top of my head, I can think of SWD and KS.) My SWD clocks in at about 26oz (per their scale, anyway), and considering that my Burn with its various additions was clocking in at about 20, the extra 6oz was a no-brainer for the frame, since it makes for a much more better carry, better weight range, ease of packing (no more getting halfway through and realizing I’ve shifted my CCF virtual frame), and a bit more usable pack volume through not having to worry about the CCF. The combination of getting a light but functional frame and moving up to a pack that’s a bit bigger (5-7L) than what I need for most trips has made for a pretty substantial increase in versatility. I haven’t had the SWD for very long, so my opinion may change (and should largely be ignored anyway), but I’ve been really happy with what it offers for the brief outings it’s been on so far.

Considering that SWD’s “framed” options add about 5oz to the existing pack, I’ve thought that the prospect of adding a similar structure to, say, a Prophet or Burn would be an interesting one.

Or maybe I’m just getting old.

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