Remote fuel stand

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=60665

I read that, but the link for the threaded to threaded stand is dead.

look on E Bay for :
BRS 1 SET MULTI-USE GAS ADAPTOR FOR LANG CAN AND FLAT CAN
(no experience with it)

Hi, Jeremy,

Might I ask why you want one? I’m always curious what people’s gear choices are — and why.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving
Hikin Jim’s Blog

So I can invert the canister for cold weather. I use the Optimus Crux

Makes sense. You’ll need to have some means of funneling heat to the liquid fuel so that it will vaporize. I’d worry a little bit about how that heat might affect the tube, depending on how you did it. Do you have a mock up of what you’re planning? I guess if I were to do it, I’d be worried about the fuel tube getting too hot (depending on what means one devises to get heat to the fuel) and perhaps bursting. That would be, well, bad.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving
Hikin Jim’s Blog

So I can invert the canister for cold weather. I use the Optimus Crux

How do you plan to vapourise the liquid gas?

Like as shown in this article? http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/myog_winter_stove_summer_upright_stove_brunton_stnd.html

or in the thread that it spawned? http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13468

You cannot just invert the canister and feed liquid gas to the stove without vapourising the gas first.

I have an older Windpro, but was able to invert the line by adjusting the fitting- I'm calling MSR and see if I can get just the canister stand

I was planning on playing around with some of the ways in that thread.

Mike,

The original WindPro won’t work with the canister stand from the WindPro II. The WindPro II’s valve block has special grooves that the stand clips into. Maybe you could kludge something up, but I don’t think it would be worthwhile.

I’ve been pretty successful, even with large canisters, in doing some kind of DIY field improvisation.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving
Hikin Jim’s Blog

I was planning on playing around with some of the ways in that thread.

OK, so you know what the issues are. I’m always afraid someone is just going to invert the canister w/o adding a means to vaporize the fuel first. That could get ugly.

I probably shouldn’t worry about that on BPL.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving
Hikin Jim’s Blog

^ thanks Jim, that'll save me the call (and trouble)- I've used tent stakes in the past (sometimes my shoe), thought a stand would make things easier :)

> some kind of DIY field improvisation.
Me too.

Mind you, with the 450 g canisters, you can just lie them on their side at the start. They do not have to be completely inverted to get a liquid feed.

Cheers

^ thanks- didn't know that :)

"How do you plan to vapourise the liquid gas?

Like as shown in this article? http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/myog_winter_stove_summer_upright_stove_brunton_stnd.html

or in the thread that it spawned? http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13468

You cannot just invert the canister and feed liquid gas to the stove without vapourising the gas first."

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Can you briefly elaborate on that? Those links don't work for me in spite of a paid membership(?).
Non-issue for me, but a friend was trying a MSR Universal stove this week(at ~4F) with inverted canister. He brought two partially used canisters, and the first one that was nearly empty wouldn't work. The second did, but not very well. It was enough to heat up some water, but took longer than usual with a very small flame. I think the stand came with the stove, but held the canisters at an angle / rather than being fully inverted.
He was just experimenting, as he normally uses white gas with a different fitting or something, but I was wondering if there was something we were just ignorant of that would have helped with the canister. He was told the jet itself was supposed to do the job of converting the liquid to gas.
Just curious…

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Added by RNC: I checked both links and they both worked for me.
Cheers

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/myog_winter_stove_summer_upright_stove_brunton_stnd.html is not a link, you need to copy it into your browser.
To make a link, I need to type some html like this: link to stove stand and I can’t always be bothered.

As for the inverted canister: you only get a benefit from inverting a canister if it is used inverted from full. If you use a canister upright until it is half full and then invert it there is very little benefit at all as the propane will already be mostly gone.
The jet does NOT convert liquid into gas* in a stove, that happens in the pre-heat/vapouriser tube (and partially in the fuel line if not too cold).

*To be precise, a jet will convert only a small proportion of liquid into gas, but much of the liquid will remain as liquid. This is exactly the same as occurs at the “expansion valve” in a refridgerator.

Hi Owen

> He brought two partially used canisters, and the first one that was nearly empty
> wouldn't work. The second did, but not very well. It was enough to heat up some
> water, but took longer than usual with a very small flame.
The first one was probably just butane, and if the canister is below ~5 C it will be very sad.
Secret trick: put some warm water in the hollow base when the canister is inverted.

> I think the stand came with the stove, but held the canisters at an angle / rather
> than being fully inverted.
That may not work when the canisters are nearly empty. Fully inverted is needed then.

Always remember: some of us use inverted canister stoves at way sub-zero temps quite successfully. You may just need to change how you are doing it.

Cheers

Thanks, both of you. Great info, and I'll pass it along.

edit:
btw, the URLs("links", I called them) did work when I pasted them in the browser just now. When I highlighted them before, it automatically put them in my Google toolbar, and they took me to blank pages.