Less trees, more water for California?

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and idea floated by the timer industry, no doubt…

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an idea floated by the arsonists association?

maybe the lawyer of an arsonist?

maybe just science – that trees take up water and evaporate it without thinking about the political considerations? Of course, if there's water evaporated, where will it go and will there be more rain Eastward?

The math that needs to be done here is quite complicated, really. Sure there is water lost, but shaded ground loses less water than exposed terrain and many conifers "catch" the fog with their upper needles and make it drip to the ground. They do mention water run off at least. So many factors to consider and that is if we only think of water and nothing else. Worth looking at but some people will make up their mind one way or the other in less time than it takes to read that bit..

Actually the math is quite simple:

1 Sierra Club based in CA + 10 million environmentalists = 0 tree cutting to save water

Billy

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Good article on who ( politicians) sold your water to what special interests in California during this drought.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014/04/the-politics-of-drought-california-water-interests-prime-the-pump-in-washington/

There sure is a lot of water flowing out the Columbia River.

They should make a pipe going down to California.

Columbia River = 265,000 ft3/second = 8E12 ft3/year

CA water use = 80 million acre ft per year = 2.6E12 ft3/year

Columbia has about 3 times as much water flowing as California uses on an annual basis

If you could send 10% of Columbia water to California it would make a big difference.

Might be easier to ship 30% of people and agriculture in CA to Oregon/Washington

How can we possibly need water when we have the Great Lakes to drain for LA's drinking water. Pipeline. Get busy.

Timber industry is somewhat alive here still.

Meanwhile my neighbor waters her lawns, by hand, for at least an hour a day, every day of the week. I believe her lawn is actually a parasitic organism similar to Ophiocordyceps unilateralis that has somehow gotten its spores into her brain and has taken control of her mind and body.

It seems there's no end to the shenanigans we'll propose to increase the supply side of the equation, only to put it to completely idiotic and wasteful ends.

What's all our water doing in Canada's lakes?!

"Might be easier to ship 30% of people and agriculture in CA to Oregon/Washington"

Shut your mouth!

Had to look up "Ophiocordyceps unilateralis"

My phobia is that humans will go extinct because of a fungus.

Maybe the genetic engineers will create a fungus to produce energy or something, but will also have the unintended property of converting human tissue to an energy source.

"Shut your mouth!"

okay, but the alternative is to ship 10% of the Columbia to California

I think that would be better

we'de make a bunch off the deal

Or they could slow their overpopulating.

Well the good news is that California has done such a great job with its natural resources that we have guys like Yvon Chouinard campaigning to breach our dams on the Snake and Columbia River you know, cause he knows about stuff like this.

BAM! That just happened!

Flame war in 3… 2…

"Or they could slow their overpopulating."

Single child law? After one, is mandatory abortion and sterilization?

Take away the financial incentives and welfare state that subsidizes numerous kids.

I know, welfare mothers have 16 kids so they get enough welfare so they can drive Cadilacs : )

Next you're going to say that global warming scientists claim that the globe is warming just so they can get grants for studies

This is a chaff thread isn't it?

"Might be easier to ship 30% of people and agriculture in CA to Oregon/Washington"

That's been done over the last 30 years, I thought.

"There sure is a lot of water flowing out the Columbia River.

They should make a pipe going down to California."

There's a whole book about how certain parties wanted to make that happen.

Someone has their work cut out for them.

Then when you get into the southern sierra's that doesn't have many trees and what do you get?

You get the worst smog in the country from Bakersfield to Visalia.

Go figure.