Nov 18, 2013 at 9:17 am #1309954
Nate BoyerBPL Member
For those of you who live in climates with weather that get below zero F and over 1 foot of snow….
What do you use for winter tents? I'd like to see some good options for solo, or two man tents.
I'm thinking of just using my REI quarter dome.Nov 18, 2013 at 9:40 am #2045797
@hilltacklerLocale: the valley
I live in New York and do most of my bakcpacking in the Catskills and Adirondaks in winter. And so far I have been using a three season tent during winter – mostly my big agnes or tarp tent rainbow. my coldest night out -10.
Although, this year I am looking into buying a used BD firstlight and have also heard good things about mountain hardware direkt 2 tent.Nov 18, 2013 at 11:20 am #2045838
Dena KelleyBPL Member
@eagleriverdeeLocale: Eagle River, Alaska
When I used to winter camp, my winter tent was a Moss Odyssey. But largely I dug snow shelters instead. They're warmer, quieter, and lighter.Nov 18, 2013 at 12:00 pm #2045846
a palace for one and cozy for two, but adding the vestibule makes a big difference. there a some folks that have nothing nice to say about this tent, but my experiences have been positive taking into consideration the need to properly vent this tent (or most winter tents) to address condensation and that this might not be the best tent for multi-day prolonged heavy rain situations.
p.s. they have been discontinued, but can be found for sale used in great shape.Nov 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm #2045851
@m-lLocale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
I would be tempted to at least try using a freestanding 3 season tent in the 0 degree temps. Having a mesh inner will mean more air circulation and less condensation.Nov 18, 2013 at 12:56 pm #2045872
maybe in a no/consolidated snow situation, but otherwise have fun keeping the spindrift out. 4 season tents have solid inners for a reason. if you can't get enough ventilation by selectivly opening part of a door or a vent i'd be surprised. you'd also end up with a much colder tent interior.Nov 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm #2045884
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> I would be tempted to at least try using a freestanding 3 season tent in the 0 degree
> temps. Having a mesh inner will mean more air circulation and less condensation.
There's a reason more experienced winter snow walkers, snow shoers and ski tourers use a genuine 4-season tent with a proper non-mesh inner tent. It's called … experience.
CheersNov 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm #2045896
What you get with a four-season tent doesn't exactly have to do with seasons.
A four-season tent is simply built to withstand higher winds and probably a decent snow load on the fly. If your winter trips don't involve either of those, then maybe you don't need a four-season tent.
I was on a high expedition one time, and most of our tent teams had proper North Face tents that were built for wind and snow. We were able to sleep at night. One of the tent teams took some flimsy Garuda tent, and the wind worked its way every night, and I don't think any of them got much sleep.
–B.G.–Nov 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm #2045912
Sam FarringtonBPL Member
@scfhomeLocale: Chocorua NH, USA
Consider a Snow Peak Lago 1 or 2. Not for rain, though.
Edit/Update: Looking at the later posts, should mention that the Lagos are double wall, polyester that does not sag, and the solo is under 3 lbs trail weight including very sturdy corner guylines and alloy crossing dome poles. My comment about the rain did not allude to leakage, but the absence of a full awning or vestibule to cover entry and exit.
The floor does fold back near the door, which is good for winter, but not much help in a downpour during other seasons. But I'm fussy. My biggest concern about the tent is condensation/frost on the single wall front and back panels in winter conditions conducive to condensation. The tent has good venting, but there have been some reports of this problem. But the question is compared to what. A lot of light winter tents present this issue in varying degrees.
While the solo tent is over 7.5' long and a yard wide, it is definitely only a solo tent, as the walls converge fairly sharply. Haven't seen the Lago 2, so don't have a fix on how spacious it is.Nov 18, 2013 at 4:23 pm #2045955
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base camp situation, for multiple days, i can't disagree. it's not my typical style and the tent might not always be double-walled, but it will be bigger than my bd lighthouse. i do keep an old walrus around just in case.Nov 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm #2046013
BD. At least four of the group I bp/snow camp with here in Kalifornia have a BD Hilight or Firstlight. Mine is not very waterproof, I'll get spritzed in a rain, I would not care to wait out a rain in it. I notice theirs are a little greenish in color, mine is yellow. It is highly prone to condensation/frost inside, it helps for the most part to leave it pretty open, then it will still have frost inside at times, can't be helped. I usually have the one vent open all the way and the door half to 3/4 zipped up. The only time I will have it zipped up all the way is in a snow, then I try to open the top of the vent and door a little. You'll still have to push snow away from the walls. It is nice as the stake points are at the corners, so no guying out unless in high wind and you can use points higher up at the corners for that. I've had it out mostly in single digits or teens F, but had one night last winter close to home on the Plumas NF where my Zip-o-gauge showed -3 or lower, can't remember now. It took 10 minutes to stuff my Driloft sleeping bag in the morning as I had to warm my hands numerous times on one of my vintage kerosene stoves. I've used my 3 season SD Halfmoon on numerous trips before, it did not take an unforecasted, high wind, 2' snowfall too well, I can to hold the corners up during high gusts in the night. The poles got bent some, but I have straightened them pretty good.
DuaneNov 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm #2046014
Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
I have a BD StormTrack 2. It was not the lightest 2 person tent option when I bought it 2 years ago. But it had a good combination of affordability, weight, square footage, and vestibule size.
I took it on a 1 week trip climbing Mt Olympus followed by climbing Mt Rainier. It worked wonderfully. Having two vestibules were great.
If I had to buy again, I might look at the Mountain Hardware EV2 or EV3, but I don't regret taking the BD. I'm taking it for a short trip into the Adirondacks at the end of December.Nov 18, 2013 at 6:58 pm #2046016
The North Face VE-25.
Heavy, but it is a palace when it is snowing and blowing.
–B.G.–Nov 18, 2013 at 7:23 pm #2046022
David ChenaultBPL Member
@davecLocale: The West Slope
Depends on terrain, likely snow conditions, fitness, and goals.
If the snow is deep enough and not bereft of moisture digging a trench and throwing a tarp over it is expedient and effective.
Single wall tent such as the Firstlight are stormproof in below freezing conditions, provided you're not in the poles or high alpine and thus obliged to pitch camp in exposed conditions. They're especially nice in conditions where anchoring a shelter is difficult, such as relatively shallow (~12") low moisture snow.
I prefer pyramid shelters. They provide a good balance of wind and snow resistance, are simple to pitch, and provide plenty of space for sorting winter gear. If there is enough snow to seal the edges they are very toasty.
Double walled tents are well and good, but I prefer to take a lighter approach and avoid the locations and conditions which necessitate them. Others do not or choose to not avail themselves of this luxury. Good tents in this category of quite expensive, too.
Of course, if you're just trying out winter backpacking and are thus likely to pick easier conditions, a 3 season tent will likely be just fine.Nov 18, 2013 at 9:08 pm #2046055
Steve KBPL Member
@skomaeLocale: northeastern US
>What you get with a four-season tent doesn't exactly have to do with seasons.
>A four-season tent is simply built to withstand higher winds and probably a decent snow load on the fly. If your winter trips don't involve either of those, then maybe you don't need a four-season tent.
What Bob Gross said.
I usually use a 3-season tent in the winter instead of my 4-season because my 3-season tent is freestanding and more convenient for sharing with others. Waiting for snow to set after packing it with my snowshoes so I can drive my snow stakes or deadman anchors… not really fun after a long, grueling day of snowshoeing.
Additionally, as long as snow load isn't too heavy or wet, and winds aren't too high, nearly any decent 3-season tent will do.
Since where I go I am expected to camp at designated campsites in small clearings between heavily wooded (Coniferous) areas, high winds are never an issue.Nov 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm #2046079
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
I've modded my Scarp 2 (see WINTER HIKING page for photos) to be a 4 season tant that will withstand higher winds and wet snow loads mainly by moving the Xing poles inside the fly.
Also I've pre-rigged 4 guy lines, one at each side of the sleeved pole and one at each end with a ski pole as a guy line angle support.
The winter main pole is stronger with thicker tube walls and a larger diameter.
And finally four fly hem stake loops to nail it down.
So far in tests in winds with gusts over 60 mph (approx. 120 kph) the tent has not deformed and has virtually no flapping.
No, it's not a mountaineering or expedition tent but with its modifications and ripstop inner it will do for most of my winter trips above 8,000 ft. (approx. 2,500 meters) in thinly forested areas.Nov 19, 2013 at 4:51 am #2046094
When solo, it's going to be cold and trees are common, a hammock can be a good option.
My example is a hammock, with down under and top quilt, a highly breathable hammock sock, and a rect tarp hung with closed ends(winter hammock style).
Having the protection of the steep walled tarp with closed ends and the hammock sock makes for a double walled, dry, warm and wind proof shelter and being able to hang a few feet off the ground means that I probably won't have to worry about heavy overnight snowfall.
It would be hard to beat the weight compared to most 4 season tents.Nov 19, 2013 at 6:15 am #2046102
Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
How much does the closed end tarp, hammock sock, hammock, and under quilt weigh?
How "fiddly" is all that for setting up?Nov 19, 2013 at 8:05 am #2046128
Spindrift in the wind? Not good. On the trip I had my Sierra Designs tent, the guy who had a hammock abandoned it for shared space in a tepee. That got blown over when the wind got under the edges, so they joined a guy in his BD tent.
DuaneNov 19, 2013 at 3:19 pm #2046260
Spindrift in a hammock is not an issue with a winter setup with closed end tarp and a hammock sock.
An open hammock of course is obviously not meant for winter camping, but people do it. I did it once and bought a sock the next week.
As far as weight goes for my setup:
Warbonnet Traveler with whoopie suspension = 13 oz
Warbonnet Sock = 9 oz
Z-packs 8.5×11 Rect tarp = 7 oz
Western Mountaineering Sumemrlite(as top quilt) = 19 oz
Enlightenned Underquilt = 26 oz
Total = 74 oz (4 lbs 10 oz)
Of course, I am not including the winter clothing that I also wear to bed.
Keep in mind you can use a lighter top quilt in a hammock(with sock) than you normally would in a winter tent and you don't need a sleeping pad.
A reasonably warm winter sleeping pad can weigh more than a down bottomquilt.
As a ground sleeper most so called four season tents can weigh 5 lbs. Not including the 2+ lb sleeping bag/quilt and 2 lb sleeping pad.
I use a much lighter shelter in my winter ground system, but still can't compete with my hammock system for weight because of the sleeping pad and thicker sleeping bag/quilt requirements.Nov 19, 2013 at 3:56 pm #2046267
"As a ground sleeper most so called four season tents can weigh 5 lbs."
Or maybe even 11.5 pounds.
–B.G.–Nov 19, 2013 at 5:44 pm #2046306
"Not including the 2+ lb sleeping bag/quilt"
Actually many people I know use 3 pound or heavier sleeping bags in the winter, but they strip down to almost nothing when they go to bed.
I tend to wear most of my clothes to bed, especially puffy layers and so get a lot more warmth out of my system.
The way I use my gear may not match the way others do and so my system may not work for most.Nov 19, 2013 at 6:10 pm #2046316
My BD Hilight weights 3.5 lbs. alone, depending on which WM bag I bring could be a tad over 2 lbs. to whatever the Antelope is. Nice set up Steven.
DuaneNov 19, 2013 at 6:18 pm #2046319
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Other than swaddling yourself in top and under quilts and every bit of clothing you have, many hammock setups use a top cover with a vent hole for winter use. It's a simple and light addition to a hammock kit. Check out Shug hammock camping at -26F: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnoo4BPe2eo. As you will see, 5lb base weights are nothing but a dream at those temperatures.
I've done a lot of winter camping and used a *cabin.* Works great(thanks, Dad).
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