Oct 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm #1308580
I have loved my Squeeze since Sawyer released it. It replaced a 23 oz First Need purifier with a 5.5 oz system that did nearly the same job with less effort and hassle.
The new Mini is a huge improvement over the Squeeze in nearly every aspect but one … a design decision that has me baffled. Why not put the same input fitting on the output side? You would lose no functionality and gain the ability to screw on the clean bag creating a "closed" system. This would eliminate spills and greatly reduce the chance of cross contamination. This one simple modification would make the Mini, IMHO, perfect.
Am I missing something?
How best to present this suggestion to Sawyer?
Would they listen?Oct 10, 2013 at 3:58 pm #2032878
Erik GBPL Member
@fox212Locale: THE Bay Area :)
I 100% completely and totally agree. The mini is still an improvement over the original, but female threads on the outlet would be a HUGE improvement on the mini…Maybe that's in the works for the 2015 model… ;)
I wonder how well it would work to take a standard-thread bottle cap, drill a hole thru the center to clear the nipple, and bond it to the outlet. That would, in effect, add female threads to the outlet. I think I know what my first Mini mod will be!
Edit: I think contacting Sawyer and telling them about the idea, is a good idea. The more people that express a need for this feature, the more they'll be compelled to add it into future products.Oct 10, 2013 at 4:13 pm #2032884
I'de say the new Mini is a slight improvement – 1 ounce
If you had female threads on the output, you could use it to backwash
With either the Squeeze or Mini, screw it on soda or water bottle, squeeze and there's a stream of water, point it at and fill your clean water bottle
If you screwed it into clean water bottle, it would create air pressure and quickly inhibit flow.
I went backpacking with some teenagers. They had a MSR filter. Screwed output onto Platypus bag. The Platypus bag exploded. Fortunately, they had extra bags (and extra saws, axes, stoves,…).Oct 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm #2032906
Andy StowBPL Member
@andysLocale: Midwest USA
Maybe the outer case isn't strong enough to take the load of someone attaching bottles directly to both sides, and they left the threads off to prevent a failure mode. Forces you to use a piece of tubing, instead of like this:Oct 10, 2013 at 5:59 pm #2032924
Sounds like a great idea, John, for those using gravity or squeezing to fill a collapsible bottle.
Am new to all this, so please bear with me. The part I don't get, is why the syringe doesn't mate with the output tube for back flushing. Will make a little connector, but don't get why Sawyer didn't make it possible to attach the syringe. (The supplied straw doesn't mate with the syringe.)
Also wonder where I'll get filtered water to backflush with. If any old lake or stream water is used, it will contaminate the output tube. Boiled and cooled water would be OK, but it would still be filled with the microscopic stuff that clogs up the filter in the first place. Or is it advisable to backflush only when you reach a public water supply?
Thinking I must be missing something here. Can anyone clear it up? Thanks.Oct 10, 2013 at 6:15 pm #2032929Oct 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm #2032933
"Also wonder where I'll get filtered water to backflush with."
You filter some water
Then use it to backflushOct 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm #2032935
Ken T.BPL Member
If it was the same on both ends people would use it backwards too easily. They don't read, follow or seem to comprehend instructions. You know, those people.Oct 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm #2032939
Jerry – I use collapsible bottles so with a litte care I'm pretty sure I won't be blowing anything up :)
Andy – I suppose a material weakness is possible, but my experience with both the Squeeze and the Mini make me doubt it. That black plastic is tough!
Chad – Easy, yes! Also needlessly complicated requiring 2 more pieces and another $5 purchase. That said, I had planned to implement exactly what you have shown as it is the best option short of the mod I proposed.
Ken – Maybe "those" people deserve what they get? I'm joking. Also I fail to see how the current design prevents using the filter backwards…hook it up per Chad's suggestion and have at it.
BTW, I sent my original post to Sawyer's feedback email address. I'll post any response I receive.Oct 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm #2032959
I figure that many that already had the Squeeze likely already have the adapters like in my photo. Although, I understand not all do…The Platy drinking tube would also work.Oct 11, 2013 at 11:40 am #2033169
Dean F.BPL Member
@acrosomeLocale: Back in the Front Range
Unfortunately, "those" people are also litiginous…Oct 11, 2013 at 11:51 am #2033172
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
"Unfortunately, "those" people are also litiginous…"
Naw, just hosers, eh? :)Oct 11, 2013 at 9:39 pm #2033338
Very funny – har-de-har-har-ha.
"You filter some water.
Then use it to backflush"
Duh OK. Could you also tell me if I'm missing something about why the syringe doesn't connect to the outflow tube for backflushing? Thanks.Oct 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm #2033342
I must be missing something. I hate it when I make a joke but didn't know I was doing so : )
On the Squeeze there's a nipple on the output as well as male threads
You push the syringe against that nipple and push on the syringe to get water to flow backwards through the filter
You have to hold the syringe aginst the nipple, it doesn't connect in any way
This is sort of awkward, I don't know why they don't design it so it fits on, but no big deal
I assume the mini is the sameOct 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm #2033345
+1 to what the OP said.
-1 to all these "mods" just to make it work like it shouldOct 12, 2013 at 6:44 am #2033368
As one of the most prolific, and referenced reviewers of gear on the web I assume you have informed Sawyer of this "oversight"? :)
If I have to mod it to make it "work as it should" I will. Just think such mods are a little silly given how good the rest of the design is.
Like I said…so close!Oct 12, 2013 at 12:56 pm #2033473
I gotta admit, it's hard to please the masses with this one. I personally like it the way it is. I have no need to screw anything to the top of it, so it works for me, while being the lightest weight possible… Just sayin'…Oct 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm #2033509
Was laughing at the other posts, although yours was pretty good even if not intended to be witty.
Thank you for clearing up the connection issues. I will make a connector to hold the front of the syringe to the outflow tube of the mini.
And thanks for the heads up. Will make sure not to let the mini get totally clogged before filtering water for backflushing.
FYI, am back to trying to mate a handpump with a squeeze, this time with the mini.
Although I gave up before, there now seems to be a little light at the end of the tunnel. We'll see in a bit.Oct 12, 2013 at 4:19 pm #2033510
Actually, I intended to be not intending to be funny which is funny : )
We're a pretty funny bunch here…
I never use my Squeeze for more than a week so I just backflush it when I get homeOct 12, 2013 at 4:48 pm #2033517
Just re-read Daryl's thread, the one with yours and Harald Hope's comments.
Looks like a syringe with a nozzle would be better than trying to devise a connector for the syringe that comes with the mini.
Even better, since I switched to soft-sided Nalgenes, a substitute Nalgene top with a nozzle could plug right into a tube from the mini for backflushing.
Now to find a Nalgene top with a nozzle.
Got it: http://store.nalgene.com/product-p/1-0460-26.htm
Without the clear dome cap, a half oz lighter than the 2 oz. syringe that came with the mini. Already have two, because the soft-sided bottles came with them.
Progress, maybe.Oct 13, 2013 at 5:55 pm #2033826
I have to agree with Chad…you can't please everyone. Cheers to those who like the mini exactly as is.
Not being one of those, here is the modification I made for $0 and a 15 minute investment:
– Take any cap that will screw onto your clean bottle (I used one of the caps from the sawyer bottles…I never use them).
– Drill a hole in the top of the cap slightly larger than the output nipple.
– Slide the cap over the nipple and epoxy it to the body.
– I nipped the tether off of the cap and simply slip the cap on. True, the cap is no longer captured, but I noticed that the stiff plastic of the tether had already started to fatigue and crack.
Finally, note that this modification still allows use of the Mini in any of the "stock" configurations.Nov 11, 2013 at 11:55 am #2043371
Kurt SuttellBPL Member
I have to say I like your mod to the mini. I moded my squeeze but it took a lot more work and money. I may have to try the mini mod, Hows the epoxy holding??Nov 11, 2013 at 12:52 pm #2043388
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Clever! Food grade silicone adhesive might work too. If you're not using the fitting for back flushing, there is little pressure on that side. Holding the weight of the full container is the stressful part.Nov 11, 2013 at 4:13 pm #2043432
Ross BleakneyBPL Member
>> Holding the weight of the full container is the stressful part.
Yes, and the key, in my opinion. Using tubes like Chad did is fine, except the tubes can very easily come off. This is why the Tornado Tube approach (shown in the video Andy linked to) is popular. Just hang everything from the top cord, and you have a great drip system. It looks like the epoxy technique can do the same thing. Nice modification. Like everyone said, though, it would be nice to not have to do these sorts of modifications. I think there should be holes in the side of the bags so that it is obvious you can hang it from there, along with good connectors for the clean side. Worrying about setting up backwards seems like a needless worry. There are plenty of drip filters that can be set up backwards. Just put big arrows on the outside and you are good to go.Nov 12, 2013 at 3:49 pm #2043834
@pastyj-2-2Locale: SE US
So far so good. The epoxy is holding like…well…epoxy :) Seriously, I think the cap would fail long before the attachment.
Street price for the Mini seems to be about $20 which darn near puts it in the "disposable" category. I'd really like to see Sawyer address this design "shortcoming" but since people like Chad like it as is, perhaps 15 min. work, a spare cap and a dab of glue is a very small inconvenience to make a great product almost perfect.
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