Oct 8, 2013 at 8:03 am #1308476
D SBPL Member
I am thinking about trying to make a BT floor/ground sheet from a mylar space blanket. I think I've got the corner cuts figured out, but how to bond it? Tape?- if so, what kind (keeping it light) or glue?- again, be specific.Oct 8, 2013 at 8:15 am #2031824
todd harperBPL Member
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
I would use basic clear packing tape. It will far outlast the mylar space blanket.Oct 8, 2013 at 8:34 am #2031831
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
You could use 3M 9460 tape like they do for Cuben tents,Oct 8, 2013 at 10:17 am #2031875
Jesse ReevesBPL Member
@jesserLocale: Reno, NV
I opted to give a "space blanket" a try as a floor for my Golite Shangri La 1 on my last trip out. It worked great, and with temperatures dipping into the teens, I feel like the reflective nature of it might have actually even helped preserve the R value of my sleeping pad. With that, I opted to use one of the SOL Emergency Blankets rather than the really cheap and crinkly mylar ones you commonly see. The SOL version is much tougher, nearly silent, and also a little bigger at 54"x86", and still under 3oz. It worked perfectly for the size of my Shangri La and left me a few inches to curve up against the wall when the wind was creeping in. I think that some packing tape would be more than sufficient, and it might be worth doubling some of the tape jobs so that in the event that you get the inevitable hole in it, you can peel a layer of tape off of and use it as a patch.Oct 12, 2013 at 5:27 pm #2033524
I screwed around for awhile trying to figure out a nice way to tape the corners to create a tub. Then I discovered that just tying a loose overhand knot in each corner was waaaaay better, takes no supplies, is adjustable, and most importantly takes no time. After all, we're talking about a groundsheet that's disposable.
I applied one zpacks 2.5" x 2.5" Stick on Loop (1.7gm each) in each inner corner of my Solomid and then threaded the zpacks "tiny cord lock" and their 1/16" shock cord through it. Then I could adjust the tension of the groundsheet at the cord lock. It will make more sense looking at the pics I think.Oct 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm #2033525
Greg MihalikBPL Member
I have placed my SOL order and will soon have a new floor.Oct 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm #2033526
Valerie EBPL Member
@wildtownerLocale: Grand Canyon State
Terrific idea!!!! It looks like you have it all figured out…Nice!Oct 12, 2013 at 9:59 pm #2033575
Here's more pics so you can get an idea of how large a tub you can make with an SOL Emergency Blanket. In the previous pics, I had adjusted the knots to make it a little smaller so that it would fit the Solomid.Oct 13, 2013 at 2:55 pm #2033749
D SBPL Member
Did you use the 1 person or 2 person SOL Blanket?Oct 13, 2013 at 3:01 pm #2033752
Totally brilliant use of materials! That floor is tall enough to make a very effective wind break too. If things were cold, wet windy and nasty, you could take it loose and wrap it around you. It still has emergency use for first aid. I like it!Oct 13, 2013 at 3:28 pm #2033759
Doh! A great and simple idea!
I've used these blankets as a ground sheet but never thought about using it this way.Oct 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm #2033784
Dean, it's a 2 person. :)Oct 13, 2013 at 4:39 pm #2033790
Dale, I really dig the wind break function of the higher walls. I'm glad you mentioned converting it to a snug wrap if things got bad. I hadn't considered that.
I also like the idea of having one side that's bright orange and can be used for a signal device. I hope I never need it, but the recent snowstorm in the PNW with waist-deep snow brought an interesting reality check. The 23 year old PCT hiker, Alejandra Wilson, was bogged down in it and waited it out for several days before finally making her way out on her own. She saw the Coast Guard helicopter searching for her but "wasn't able to make herself visible." And as it flew away, she confessed to wondering if she would be able to survive, because she was so cold that she couldn't even sleep at night and just sat up and shivered. Scary situation, and it made me wonder if something bright like the SOL Blanket could've caught their attention. Sure couldn't hurt if it's built right into your gear and doesn't cost any extra weight.Oct 13, 2013 at 5:41 pm #2033819
The signal value of the blanket would have been okay, but a mirror, bright headlamp and most of all, a big old bonfire would have been much better.
I'll opt for staying dry :) I need to make one of these floors for my SMD Gatewood Cape shelter.
Now, figure out a way to glue a tulle window curtain sheer liner to it for a bug screen.Oct 14, 2013 at 8:22 pm #2034185
John HarperBPL Member
@johnnyh88Locale: The SouthWest
How long do these usually last when used as groundsheets? Any comparison to polycro in regards to durability and compactness?Oct 14, 2013 at 8:46 pm #2034193
Oh duh! Asking about polycryo vs the AMK material made the lightbulb go on! No reason you couldn't use polycryo to make a bathtub floor the same way.
That photo with the sleeping bag looks like a bear's take out dinner package :)Oct 14, 2013 at 8:53 pm #2034198
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
With a reflective material, it will be a little warmer so there will be less condensation, especially from your breath.Oct 14, 2013 at 8:56 pm #2034200
Man, a huge +1!!Oct 14, 2013 at 8:57 pm #2034201
– -K.T.- –BPL Member
All the emergency info printed on the one side will scratch off in snow. Leaving black dust on anything damp. Once that all wears off you will probably have a hole or another reason to start the process over. But so much nicer in every other way compared to the standard mylar ones. Would like to see them offered with no printing on them though.Oct 15, 2013 at 12:03 am #2034232
Ken, I've gone through several of the SOL blankets in the past couple years and haven't had a problem with the flaking. I've noticed that some of the lettering comes off, but I haven't noticed it sticking to anything in particular. It just seems to sort of vanish.
John, I don't have hardly any experience with the polycro, so I can't compare it for you. How long it will last would totally depend on the type of environment you're using it in. The rocky Sierras will shred about anything it seems. I put a small rock twice the size of a golf ball in the corner of my zpacks cuben groundsheet on my last trip to hold it in place and found that apparently a sharp edge punctured it. And that's the thicker cuben; not the thinner stuff used for shelters. Frustrating. I've started laying my CCF pad down first and putting my groundsheet over it so that the foam pad can take the brunt of the punishment. The Ridgerest (which many loath) stands up to the abuse and nearly self-seals itself after a puncture. This will definitely extend the life of my groundsheets.
As Dale pointed out, you could do the same thing with a polycro sheet or any other material that floats your boat. That's the main thing of value that I've learned from this experimenting.Oct 15, 2013 at 12:18 am #2034235
just Justin WhitsonMember
Cuben is notoriously bad for abrasive and puncture resistance. That's the thin mylar films that are used.
I just got finished working with a piece of 1 oz cuben, and even the mylar film on the outside edges of that is pretty weak/fragile. Polycryo is much better in that department.
Btw, nice idea and execution of same. I'm planning on rigging up something inside my Tipi tent, sort of as a liner to take better advantage of the titanium wood stove that goes with same.Oct 15, 2013 at 10:11 am #2034306
Polycryo works well because it tends to stretch over rocks and roots rather than tearing. The AMK blanket has some of that property too. I was enamoured with the polycryo option because a already own a couple big sheets. :)Oct 15, 2013 at 10:52 am #2034318
Dale, it looks like I'm laying on a nice shiny oven tray ;)Oct 16, 2013 at 2:57 pm #2034755
Turkey roaster more likely ;)
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