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With Skill NO BIVY with Tarp?

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jdubhikes BPL Member
PostedJun 19, 2007 at 12:19 pm

I remember reading from the trail days 07 posts that Flyin Brian suggests with enough skill a bivy is not necessary when using a poncho tarp as shelter.

What do you guys think?

On a related note, if the above is accepted and one has the skill, given 5oz. for a typical SUL bivy, would it not be better to add 3.5oz. more insulation to your bag/quilt and put a good dwr on it? (3.5oz. because with no bivy you have to use a ground sheet @ 1.5oz. for a size M GG polycro trimmed a bit). End result is same weight with more warmth.

Doug Johnson BPL Member
PostedJun 19, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Not in my experience. If the weather is good, sure, but if the winds pick up to even a breeze, the warmth is sripped from your bag. This is especially true with a quilt. If the humidity is high or you're dealing with spindrift, the effect is even worse. I find a breathable bivy to be a critical component of my poncho/tarp system.

However, his point about site location is a key one. I tend to be in wet country and at or above treeline. If you choose a protected site, you can avoid much of the concern I just raised. Still, in the northern Cascades, I'll always carry my bivy (unless maybe the weather report is perfect in summer). I've paid in cold nights when I didn't have it from loss of warmth.

Now, when using an enclosed shelter like a Tarptent, Wild Oasis, or a Gossamer Gear Spinshelter, this concern goes away. I'm specifically talking about when using a small ponchotarp.

Doug

jim bailey BPL Member
PostedJun 19, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Same experience as Doug stated, was trying poncho with various bug screen shelters over the past 3 summers and most always was woken up by a slight breeze or dropping nightime temperatures even while using with a warm hat. Seemed worse when using a quilt and would turn over and have breeze sneak in under the sides.
Breathable bivy with waterproof floor paired with a small tarp/poncho seems to be the best combo so far for the weight.

Kevin Sawchuk BPL Member
PostedJun 19, 2007 at 9:50 pm

It depends on the conditions and your bag. If you have an enclosed mummy bag and reasonable good weather and/or high skill with pitching a tarp (closing off the windward side) you can get away without a bivy and adding extra down is a good investment.

With a quilt style bag it is much harder to keep warm without a bivy though in an enclosed tarp it is easier. You get a bit more versatility with a quilt/bivy system and it lets you use a smaller/lighter tarp.

PostedJun 20, 2007 at 12:44 pm

Yeah, I think Brian R used a Feathered Friends mummy w/ Epic shell on his Triple Crown. I can't speak for what he's using now.

I also prefer a thinner less absorbant, more breathable top-bag with a bivy (similar weight) for anything but beautiful weather. But a bivy can be overkill for a lot of the summer too, esp if your bag is truly 3-season rated.

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